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Just Whom Is This Divorce 'Good' For?
Washington Post ^ | Sunday, November 6, 2005 | Elizabeth Marquardt

Posted on 11/08/2005 8:01:14 AM PST by TBP

Before the divorce rate began its inexorable rise in the late 1960s, the common wisdom had been that, where children are concerned, divorce itself is a problem. But as it became widespread -- peaking at almost one in two first marriages in the mid-1980s -- popular thinking morphed into a new, adult-friendly idea: It's not the act of divorcing that's the problem, but simply the way that parents handle it.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: boredom; butimbored; butiwant; butshenags; children; divorce; forthechildren; itsallaboutme; liberalism; liberals; mustfornicate; selfishness; sickinthehead
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To: HamiltonJay

"Folks who are like that, are so selfish they are not going to raise those children any better apart than they do together."

I don't disagree, but don't discount the mothers or fathers out there who do ALL the work themselves and are undermined by their spouses. Those kids fare heaps better when raised alone or in a new family.

If divorce is so selfish, why do so many people choose to go it alone at emotional, personal and physical sacrifice? They want a better life for their children and put their lives on the line for it.


101 posted on 11/08/2005 9:59:18 AM PST by timsbella (Mark Steyn for Prime Minister of Canada!)
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To: wallcrawlr

Lets see...When you are single you can (1) Pursue goals you otherwise could not do when you are married (2) Golf whenever (3) Fish whenever (4) save lots of money (5) Can make decisions without having to consult, etc. with someone else. The list could go on.


102 posted on 11/08/2005 10:01:34 AM PST by JackDanielsOldNo7 (If it wasn't for marriage, I would not have this screenname.)
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To: joesbucks
What you're saying has been my experience. Chastity is a rare commodity among any adult demographic and church singles groups are no exception.

Abstinence is expected of the unmarried Christian and there's a great deal of difficulty in adhering to that standard once a person has experienced that intimacy.

Refraining from sex seems a particularly daunting challenge for divorced persons who once enjoyed married sex, have been abandoned by their spouses, are without immediate marriage prospects and are left with no sexual outlet.

In my eyes all those who abstain under such circumstances out of a desire to please God are heroic.

103 posted on 11/08/2005 10:07:26 AM PST by Chunga (Mock The Left)
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To: Palisades
as the people who are willing to enter into them are also probably the type of people who are less likely to divorce in the first place.

Agreed!

104 posted on 11/08/2005 10:08:47 AM PST by arizonarachel (finally married...to F7OShawn...)
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To: joesbucks

I know that happens, and obviously it is wrong on both sides.

We have really watered-down relationships and are sinning in the process.


105 posted on 11/08/2005 10:09:51 AM PST by ConservativeMind
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To: joylyn

"cordial" is NOT "friend" to me.....it means "tolerant"...LOL....which I agree is what is needed when children are involved....which is what I TRIED to be to my ex.


106 posted on 11/08/2005 10:12:15 AM PST by goodnesswins (DEMS....40 yrs and $$$dollars for the War on Poverty, but NOT a $$ or minute for the WAR on Terror!)
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To: laney

This makes me sad. There is no doubt that there is an ugly side to human nature. But there are many, many good an decent people, and may I say MEN, in this world. It sounds as if you have been deeply hurt and had many disappointments in your life.

I know of many, many good marriages. Not perfect mind you, but good and fulfilling. They are not widely discussed, or universally applauded. They are just two people who do the right thing because that is who they are.

I guess all I can say is this: If it bleeds, it leads. That is true even when it comes to gossip. There are just as many couples with good marriages, but you never hear about them because it really isn't that interesting to talk about.

TV is a place where people make a living pretending to be something they are not. The difference between TV then, and TV now is that at least they paid lip service to respecting the family. Now it is nothing other than a joke.

I will leave you with this: In this world, we find what we are looking for. If you are looking for good examples of bad marriages, you will find many. But if you have an ideal that you work towards, you look for good examples of good marriages, you will find many and learn from them. Then, with God's help you will model behavior that will not necessarily make your life easier, but will contribute to a better society after you are gone. What we behold, we become. Or to use current cw: If you are not part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.

Hey, I've got to get off of here and get some work done. I hope you have a terrific day!


107 posted on 11/08/2005 10:13:24 AM PST by pollyannaish
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To: justshutupandtakeit
There are no rules in the Bible against divorce.

That is totally untrue.

1 Cor 7:

10 To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. 11 But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife.

12 To the rest I say this (I, not the Lord): If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, he must not divorce her. 13 And if a woman has a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him.

There are plenty of other references. Those who read the Bible are generally the ones who are aware of such verses.

May I suggest you get one and read it?
108 posted on 11/08/2005 10:18:09 AM PST by ConservativeMind
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To: timsbella

Funny, for thousands of years the issues of undermining spouses did not create generations of children with the problems those raised in fatherless homes tend to have.

There is no doubt that divorce has far more long range and wide spread problems with children than those who have engaged in it generally wish to believe. They want to cling to the excuses, and not face the realities. They cling to statements like, "far heaps better when raised alone, because my ex spouse undermined me".

The fact is, we've turned our back on thousands of years of human experience and then try to argue "our way is better"... when it is demonstrably not so.

You Ask:
"If divorce is so selfish, why do so many people choose to
go it alone at emotional, personal and physical sacrifice?"

Because they are so selfish, is exactly why many do. They do not see the reality of what they do. I know LIFETIME MOVIE CHANNEL portrays every divorce in the nation as some woman and kids being abused and neglected by some evil husband who they can't escape.. but this isn't reality. If you ask folks who divorce why, you get mostly the same set of answers "we grew apart" "he cheated" "I cheated" "I just didn't love him anymore" "It wasn't working" etc etc etc... RARE is the answer, he beat me, be beat the kids, he neglected the children, she was physically abusive....

It mostly boils down to simple selfishness, far more often than not. You sit down and ask kids of divorce, or any kids, if they want their parents to divorce... and what is the overwhelming answer going to be? You see, marriage with children isn't about YOU anymore.

As to put their lives on the line for it, I think that is a bit overly dramatic. A person with children for whatever reason chooses to divorce.. now they are single, and have only 1/2 the support day to day that a child should have growing up.. you have that half and the other half in a constantly hostile and contentious situation.. you have different houses, different rules, different boyfriends and girlfriends that wander in and out (don't even get me started on that mess) You see this as noble, I see this as the epitomy of selfishness.. knowing all this they do it anyway.

Unless it involves true abuse or neglect, divorce with children is not justifiable.


109 posted on 11/08/2005 10:24:39 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: ConservativeMind
Thanks for the quotes. The second is not a general prohibition of divorce and, in fact, leaves divorce as an option should the husband/wife NOT be willing to live with their mate.

The first is more supportive of your position but I would have to read the context surrounding it.

Thanks also for your suggestion even if based upon an unwarranted assumption. Your attempt to help is magnanimous.
110 posted on 11/08/2005 10:25:09 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: Former Fetus

Love your screen name!


111 posted on 11/08/2005 10:26:37 AM PST by Albion Wilde (America will not run, and we will not forget our responsibilities. – George W. Bush)
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To: laney

We are all failed and flawed creatures.... faith does not change that.

However, it helps to keep a simple fact in mind....

"Before they were Great Saints, many were Greater Sinners"

Marriage is a joining of two flawed creatures, to expect perfection from it is to be naive and unrealistic. Which is sadly the expectations many have going in, and why many wind out going out.


112 posted on 11/08/2005 10:29:35 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: JackDanielsOldNo7

PLUS---
You have the remote all to yourself.
Can eat the ice cream straight out of the carton.
Have all the closet space you need for shoes. :)


113 posted on 11/08/2005 10:29:37 AM PST by najida (Sometimes the only justice we'll ever get is having our story heard.)
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To: JackDanielsOldNo7

ha ha...

go out to eat alone
sit at home alone
no children
no grandchildren
die alone

the list could go on. ha ha


114 posted on 11/08/2005 10:32:17 AM PST by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com)
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To: HamiltonJay

Problems of children of divorce are not the same as those from "fatherless" homes. Those homes never had fathers to begin with and produce the great bulk of problem children. The risk of OOW children, criminal behavior is FAR greater from the real fatherless homes than from families with divorces or where the father has died.

Children will rarely recommend divorce but that is from a fear of the unknown. My own marriage was wonderful but I know of situations where divorce is the best solution. To pretend those do not exist is just closing your eyes.


115 posted on 11/08/2005 10:32:35 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: najida
Can eat the ice cream straight out of the carton

And you do not have to eat vanilla all the time. When there is ice cream in the freezer.

NOD NOD WINK WINK

116 posted on 11/08/2005 10:33:02 AM PST by JackDanielsOldNo7 (If it wasn't for marriage, I would not have this screenname.)
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To: Palisades
How so? If people want to cheat, they're going to cheat. Marriage doesn't change that.

True. Civil marriage doesn't eliminate adultery, but it assists monogamy in making marital unions public. Only a fool would seek companionship with someone who has publicly committed himself to another. OK, there are a lot of fools out there. 8-)

117 posted on 11/08/2005 10:33:37 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: SolidSupplySide
For Just Whom is this Divorce Good

http://www.getitwriteonline.com/archive/022703.htm

"On the subject of ending sentences with prepositions, people often recount a story involving Winston Churchill. When an editor dared to change a sentence of Churchill's that appeared to end inappropriately with a preposition, Churchill responded by writing to the editor, 'This is the kind of impertinence up with which I shall not put.'

His purpose, of course, was to illustrate the awkwardness that can result from rigid adherence to the notion that prepositions at the end of sentences are always incorrect."

118 posted on 11/08/2005 10:40:09 AM PST by paulat
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To: laney
they are together hurting no one

What kind of example are they setting for other people? What will they say to younger couples who are shacking up?

they will not marry and I doubt they are going to hell for it..

While we can't judge their souls, St. Paul was very explicit in condemning fornicators:

1 Corinthians 6:8-10

"...neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God."

Their actions are understandable, but cannot be approved.
119 posted on 11/08/2005 10:40:56 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: HamiltonJay

Most people marry because they want to have children home family and that's what we are programmed to do....
I am married but I cannot say that I have seen 2 people madly inlove with each other proably unrealistic anyways.


120 posted on 11/08/2005 10:41:18 AM PST by laney (little bit country,little bit Rock and Roll!)
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