Posted on 11/03/2005 7:19:52 PM PST by Pyro7480
Tonight, on CSI: Las Vegas, the main plot line involved a single mother whose apparent suicide was staged. The mother was a virgin (determined by the autopsy), and was described as a "prude" by the victim's sister. After a DNA test, it was determined the baby found with the dead woman wasn't biologically-related to the mother. After further investigation, it was found out that the mother had adopted an embryo "left over" from a fertility clinic. A fictional pro-life organization called "Project Sunflower" had found the embryo a mother. As one woman CSI investigator told the details of this organization to the other woman CSI investigator, her boss, the look on her face was one of disgust. When the underling investigator stated that the organization believed it was doing God's work, the lead investigator (whose character is an ex-stripper) said, "I've known strippers who've said the same thing."
The two women CSI investigators went to the headquarters of this pro-life organization. The investigators questioned the organization’s director, a blonde, middle-aged white woman with a Southern accent. In the course of the conversation, the lead investigator, in a hostile fashion, brought up the subject of the supposedly previous position of Christianity that Christians, including a Catholic pope apparently, had taught that the soul of an unborn child didn't enter its body until the mother felt the baby moving. This line of questioning did obviously not please the director of the pro-life organization. When the lead investigator asked for records, the director said they were confidential. The investigator countered that they could go get a court order, and the director said to go ahead and get one.
Later in the program, the lead woman investigator's boss, the head of the CSI night shift (and as the first season of the show indicated, a lapsed Catholic), confronted her, saying that the head of the pro-life organization had filed a complaint against the investigator, accusing the investigator of verbal harassment. The investigator explained herself to her boss, saying that in the course of her questioning, her viewpoint had slipped out. When her boss asked of this viewpoint, she flat out said that she was pro-choice and pro-stem cell research. She asked her boss what he would have done. He said that if he would have been in her position, he would have cited Leviticus 17:11, which supposedly indicates that according to the Bible, the soul doesn't enter the body until after conception (The verse says "Because the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you, that you may make atonement with it upon the altar for your souls, and the blood may be for an expiation of the soul." In it is proper context, it's about the Temple sacrifice.)
Yep, we have too. We used to be intrigued by the show and the facinating technology. Too bad the writers of the program have drifted into too many sick and bizarre senarios that gross the viewers out.
Sorry, but I've given that program too many chances and they keep letting me down. The writers took their audience for granted and are now choking us with plots that are too far-fetched and uncomfortable. Good riddance, CSI.
LOL! I guess you read the whole thing, since I used the term "deviant sexual behavior" as well.
I already wrote Media Research Center. I won't be surprised if they write a report about it.
West Wing was so offensive the other nite - about "right wing religious fanatics" that I started writing down the advertisers to contact.
But, they did make a good point about the fact that very, very few people are actually in favor of abortion in all circumstances. I believe that they made the opposite point of the one they intended.
In the long run, the more the hate from the other side is exposed, the better for the children of the future. As long as we show our love and remain firm.
The contrast is the Lord's tool.
I used to love that show.
Now it all about deviant sex. I don't watch it anymore.
(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We're Know We're Dead Wrong.")
The CSI writers and Helgenberger contrived a scene between Helgenberger and a woman who runs an organization committed to "rescue" fertilized eggs supposedly hanging around unclaimed in IVF clinics nationwide. The writers put inane and ignorant words in the woman's mouth and the director told her to act mean and stupid. The whole thing was just an insult to thinking people.
You just can't make this stuff up. This is what Hollywood is, folks.
True, I was born guilty, a sinner, even as my mother conceived me. -- Ps. 51:5
Related, a Biblical examination of this topic from a Catholic perspective:
"Why do the writers and producers feel the need to attack the faith of millions of Americans just because they disagree with them?"
Evil always attacks good. That is its nature.
"Hello...they are actors and were saying their lines, not their political philosophy."
If I were an actor, there are lines I would not say.
I suspect alot of conservatives watch CSI because it is one of the few intelligent shows on tv. And yet they slapped us across the face with this one. I don't mind controversy, but I fail to see why anyone would be hostile to the idea of giving life a chance. It's not like they are out there rounding up unwilling women and impregnating them. I cannot understand why even a pro choice advocate would be against what the real organization (Snowflake) does. They could easily have had one of the CSI folk take the opposite position, praising what they do etc, to at least appear even handed.
And of course, the misuse of scripture was absurd. Sadly, alot of people don't know anything about the real program to adopt out these embryos and will take this show as the truth. How very sad, but typical of Hollywood.
susie
Um, how could the autopsy determine she was a virgin? Wouldn't the birthing process destroy the evidence, so to speak?
No, she had a C-section. The hymen was intact, according to the medical examiner.
Actually, overall the show tends to run conservative (or at least not overtly lib like most stuff on the networks). A couple of years ago they took a very pro-death penalty stance in one of their episodes and actually include religious people that aren't portrayed as complete freaks.
And it's still the show that has my favorite TV line ever: "That's as phony as a Chappaquiddick neck brace." (at a staged crime scene.)
I'm glad someone started this thread. I was so annoyed when the Helgenberg character started making those snide comments. The whole section was set up to mock people who are pro life. They made the woman who ran the Sunflower program seem like a weirdo, also. Then, when the Helgenberger character defended her comments to her superior and he smirked his way out of reprimanding her, that was really too far.
The left needs to mock things like embryonic implantation/rescue because to do otherwise might make them actually have to face the fact that "the little blob of tissue" is actually as nascent human being.
I had not had a real problem with it until this episode. I'm sure I'm a little numb to some of the more subtle stuff, because heck, TV is SO rife with liberal tripe that I am probably somewhat desensitized. However, this was just so blatant, and uncalled for. Why demonize an organization that is trying to help people have children and at the same time help embryos who will otherwise not have a shot at life?
Someone on another bb I'm on suggested that it's because Snowflake competes with stem cell researchers for those embryos. Maybe so.
susie
CSI pays little attention to the private lives of the scientists but it's been mentioned that Willow, a single mother, has an adolescent daughter she adores.
It was one tiny little ray of light in an otherwise abysmally liberal show, and it was easy to miss, but I still think it was very powerful.
One thing that was puzzling to me: According to the show, the murdered mother's hymen was intact, thereby 'proving' she was a virgin.
I'm not clear on these concepts:
1. If she gave birth, wouldn't this break the hymen in all liklihood?
2. If not, why couldn't the hymen have been left intact after intercourse.
3. Why did any of this matter to the plot of the show?
I asked my criminology professor, a Houston police captain with many years in homicide, about the flashlights and he just laughed and said it was a TV show.
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