Posted on 11/03/2005 7:19:52 PM PST by Pyro7480
Tonight, on CSI: Las Vegas, the main plot line involved a single mother whose apparent suicide was staged. The mother was a virgin (determined by the autopsy), and was described as a "prude" by the victim's sister. After a DNA test, it was determined the baby found with the dead woman wasn't biologically-related to the mother. After further investigation, it was found out that the mother had adopted an embryo "left over" from a fertility clinic. A fictional pro-life organization called "Project Sunflower" had found the embryo a mother. As one woman CSI investigator told the details of this organization to the other woman CSI investigator, her boss, the look on her face was one of disgust. When the underling investigator stated that the organization believed it was doing God's work, the lead investigator (whose character is an ex-stripper) said, "I've known strippers who've said the same thing."
The two women CSI investigators went to the headquarters of this pro-life organization. The investigators questioned the organization’s director, a blonde, middle-aged white woman with a Southern accent. In the course of the conversation, the lead investigator, in a hostile fashion, brought up the subject of the supposedly previous position of Christianity that Christians, including a Catholic pope apparently, had taught that the soul of an unborn child didn't enter its body until the mother felt the baby moving. This line of questioning did obviously not please the director of the pro-life organization. When the lead investigator asked for records, the director said they were confidential. The investigator countered that they could go get a court order, and the director said to go ahead and get one.
Later in the program, the lead woman investigator's boss, the head of the CSI night shift (and as the first season of the show indicated, a lapsed Catholic), confronted her, saying that the head of the pro-life organization had filed a complaint against the investigator, accusing the investigator of verbal harassment. The investigator explained herself to her boss, saying that in the course of her questioning, her viewpoint had slipped out. When her boss asked of this viewpoint, she flat out said that she was pro-choice and pro-stem cell research. She asked her boss what he would have done. He said that if he would have been in her position, he would have cited Leviticus 17:11, which supposedly indicates that according to the Bible, the soul doesn't enter the body until after conception (The verse says "Because the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you, that you may make atonement with it upon the altar for your souls, and the blood may be for an expiation of the soul." In it is proper context, it's about the Temple sacrifice.)
What would happen to evidence collected at a crime scene by a female with long hair that is tossing about? There are many flaws in the program, but the flashlights are a rather small one. As to Grissom's (the character as written) positioning in the spewing of liberal agenda, he claims to be a scientists, nothing more, yet he is constantly tossing out putdowns of conservative 'faith' notions using sound byte swill.
Why does a girl hate the other girl when her boyfriend's eyes wander...?
As I mentioned in my post, the Leviticus verse doesn't even have anything to do with the Israelite's view of when life starts. It was just idiotic.
I found a link to the preview commercial at Akamai [requires Real Player]:
rtsp://a837.v8488b.c8488.g.vr.akamaistream.net/ondemand/7/837/8488/v11032100/cbscomstor.download.akamai.com/8605/g2demand/entertainment/cbs_video/insider/primetime/csi/promos/csi_promo.rmAnyway, bottom line is that CSI jumped the shark for me tonight, and Marge Helgenberger will NEVER AGAIN be sexy in anything.
I also lost whatever respect I may once have had for William Petersen.
In context....
And any man from the house of Israel, or from the aliens who sojourn among them, who eats any blood, I will set my face against that person who eats blood, and will cut him off from among his people.For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you on the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood by reason of the life that makes atonement.
Therefore I said to the sons of Israel, 'No person among you may eat blood, nor may any alien who sojourns among you eat blood.
Leviticus 17:10-12
"... life is a unity of body and soul." I use a somewhat more difficult definition: the soul is the behavior mechanism, the will, emotions and mind of the life in the body, with the spireit being the life level raising humans above the animal level. Since I define the behavior mechanism as existing outside of space/time and connected to same via the body (the flesh), I would define the soul as 'timeless' thus eternal (as is the spirit), but the connection mechanism (the body) is definitely under the dictates of space/time in current dispensation.
I agree. I might just stop watching this. I don't watch CSI: Miami, and I may continue watching CSI: NY, since Gary Sinise is a pro-military actor.
Well, I don't know, I saw an epsiode where a young hispanic boy with mutiple diseases was charged with killing his sister at the end. The sister had been concieved by the parents to serve as donor of sorts (blood/ bone marrow etc) for the brother who was utilimatley dying. He was sick of it and what it was doing to her.
Anyway, at the end of the ep, he was in the hospital chapel when Grissom came in to confront him with the evidence.
The brother was glad he was caught, he knew he would never live to serve his sentence. Grissom uppon seeing him praying said something to him about his God and the whole situation about not killing himself (a sin) but murder was forgivable - can't remember the exact wording) whereas the kid replied ' but you are doing God's work, whether your realize it or not, for you speak for (and defend) those who cannot speak for themselves.'
Like I said I can't remember exactly, but it gave the Grissom character pause for reflection of that statement. It was something he did not expect; I thought it was well done.
It's a TV show. It can mimic a worthy discussion or present a drama that has depth, but can't really achieve it for a lot of reasons.
"Anyway, bottom line is that CSI jumped the shark for me tonight, and Marge Helgenberger will NEVER AGAIN be sexy in anything.
I also lost whatever respect I may once have had for William Petersen."
Hello...they are sctors and were saying hteir lines, not their political philosophy.
You obviously have the internet-why do you watch network TV when you could be working on the internet.
Sorry, gotta disagree. You could tell that they [in particular, Marge Helgenberger] were relishing their lines.
Their characters have always been a bunch of arrogant pricks, but tonight I got the unmistakable impression that Helgenberger was playing it from the heart.
I like the internet. I like watching movies. And I like a few shows on TV, though not many. In traveling for business I do stay at hotels/motels that have cable and from what I can see, it's not worth the price I'd pay to have it at home.
Marg Helgenberger (Katherine on CSI) is a huge pro-abort and can be seen standing next to NOW and NARAL organizers at their protests. I liked CSI in the beginning because of the storylines and twists but finally decided that I just cannot watch anymore. Am hoping that half the viewers tonight turned it off and it will sink in the ratings.
rwgal(Mrs MM)
When she defended her unprofessional behavior because she was "pro-choice", she looked like a childish idiot. Grissom's face said it all. The brainwashing may not have been effective as they intended.
From the prolife angle, the two young women involved in the embryo donation and adoption came off as honorable and good. The director of the embryo adoption project may have been protrayed as a fake, but that's not untypical in both conservative and liberal 501C3's.
Also, that beautiful little boy showed clearly that an embryo is not only a life, but a tiny little miracle.
And, like icing on a cake, after they've turned folks into conservatives, the converted quit watching TV. It's a twofer.
Go for it Hollywood -- keep pushing the liberal viewpoints - the more extreme, the better... ( and yeah, trash conservatives and Christians while you're at it) We need all the voters we can get...
Maybe they'll introduce a talking car. There hasn't been a good talking car show for years.
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