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CSI Inserts Itself Into Politics (Criticizes Pro-Life Conservatives)
CBS ^ | 11/3/05 | Pyro7480

Posted on 11/03/2005 7:19:52 PM PST by Pyro7480

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To: Erasmus

What would happen to evidence collected at a crime scene by a female with long hair that is tossing about? There are many flaws in the program, but the flashlights are a rather small one. As to Grissom's (the character as written) positioning in the spewing of liberal agenda, he claims to be a scientists, nothing more, yet he is constantly tossing out putdowns of conservative 'faith' notions using sound byte swill.


21 posted on 11/03/2005 7:43:14 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Pyro7480
I am with you. I just about don't watch much TV anymore because of the reasons you stated. I used to watch "Cold Case" but they have such a Political Agenda vis a v Black and Whites that it is almost the theme of every show and I just about have given up on it.
CSI has been one of my favorites and along with the Political crap you mention I haven't liked the drift to personal stuff in the show, notably this undercurrent between Catherine and Warrick. May have to give this up also.
I just about watch DVD's now and love to rent old TV shows to watch. Been watching Richard Boone in "Have Gun Will Travel" and that really was a great show in it's day and still is.
22 posted on 11/03/2005 7:43:53 PM PST by Captain Peter Blood
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To: Pyro7480
Why do the writers and producers feel the need to attack the faith of millions of Americans just because they disagree with them?

Why does a girl hate the other girl when her boyfriend's eyes wander...?

23 posted on 11/03/2005 7:49:28 PM PST by papertyger
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To: MHGinTN

As I mentioned in my post, the Leviticus verse doesn't even have anything to do with the Israelite's view of when life starts. It was just idiotic.


24 posted on 11/03/2005 7:51:56 PM PST by Pyro7480 (Sancte Joseph, terror daemonum, ora pro nobis!)
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To: Pyro7480; KayEyeDoubleDee
I was going to start a thread about this very subject, but thankfully you beat me to it.

I found a link to the preview commercial at Akamai [requires Real Player]:

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Anyway, bottom line is that CSI jumped the shark for me tonight, and Marge Helgenberger will NEVER AGAIN be sexy in anything.

I also lost whatever respect I may once have had for William Petersen.

25 posted on 11/03/2005 7:55:45 PM PST by jailbird
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To: MHGinTN
The Biblical view is the identity of body and soul. The scientifically naive view is that the "soul" enters in with the first breath, which is, I suppose the Orthodox Jewish view. Aristotle's view, based In part on hi philosophy, was that the "ensoulment" begins with the "quickening," when the fetus begins to move. But epigenesis shows that "life" begins with fertilization. This is subject to two interpretations, both scientific. One of these would mark the beginning of development at implantation. The other would mark the beginning with the joining of the genetic material of the sperm with that of the ovum. Whatever, life is a unity of body and soul. The real theological question is whether the soul is immortal, and whether it can have any continuing existence apart from the body. The Greek notion was that the soul was a spirit trapped in a body. The Christian notion is that it is incomplete without the body. Hence the notion of the General Resurrection, with Christ being the "first fruit" of a harvest.
26 posted on 11/03/2005 7:56:03 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Pyro7480
He said that if he would have been in her position, he would have cited Leviticus 17:11, which supposedly indicates that according to the Bible, the soul doesn't enter the body until after conception (The verse says "Because the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you, that you may make atonement with it upon the altar for your souls, and the blood may be for an expiation of the soul." In it is proper context, it's about the Temple sacrifice.)

In context....

And any man from the house of Israel, or from the aliens who sojourn among them, who eats any blood, I will set my face against that person who eats blood, and will cut him off from among his people.

For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you on the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood by reason of the life that makes atonement.

Therefore I said to the sons of Israel, 'No person among you may eat blood, nor may any alien who sojourns among you eat blood.

Leviticus 17:10-12


27 posted on 11/03/2005 7:58:27 PM PST by Alex Murphy (Psalm 73)
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To: RobbyS

"... life is a unity of body and soul." I use a somewhat more difficult definition: the soul is the behavior mechanism, the will, emotions and mind of the life in the body, with the spireit being the life level raising humans above the animal level. Since I define the behavior mechanism as existing outside of space/time and connected to same via the body (the flesh), I would define the soul as 'timeless' thus eternal (as is the spirit), but the connection mechanism (the body) is definitely under the dictates of space/time in current dispensation.


28 posted on 11/03/2005 8:02:21 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: jailbird

I agree. I might just stop watching this. I don't watch CSI: Miami, and I may continue watching CSI: NY, since Gary Sinise is a pro-military actor.


29 posted on 11/03/2005 8:05:37 PM PST by Pyro7480 (Sancte Joseph, terror daemonum, ora pro nobis!)
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To: MHGinTN
As to Grissom's (the character as written) positioning in the spewing of liberal agenda, he claims to be a scientists, nothing more, yet he is constantly tossing out putdowns of conservative 'faith' notions using sound byte swill.

Well, I don't know, I saw an epsiode where a young hispanic boy with mutiple diseases was charged with killing his sister at the end. The sister had been concieved by the parents to serve as donor of sorts (blood/ bone marrow etc) for the brother who was utilimatley dying. He was sick of it and what it was doing to her.

Anyway, at the end of the ep, he was in the hospital chapel when Grissom came in to confront him with the evidence.

The brother was glad he was caught, he knew he would never live to serve his sentence. Grissom uppon seeing him praying said something to him about his God and the whole situation about not killing himself (a sin) but murder was forgivable - can't remember the exact wording) whereas the kid replied ' but you are doing God's work, whether your realize it or not, for you speak for (and defend) those who cannot speak for themselves.'

Like I said I can't remember exactly, but it gave the Grissom character pause for reflection of that statement. It was something he did not expect; I thought it was well done.

30 posted on 11/03/2005 8:10:55 PM PST by AFreeBird (your mileage may vary)
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To: AFreeBird

It's a TV show. It can mimic a worthy discussion or present a drama that has depth, but can't really achieve it for a lot of reasons.


31 posted on 11/03/2005 8:14:18 PM PST by durasell
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To: jailbird

"Anyway, bottom line is that CSI jumped the shark for me tonight, and Marge Helgenberger will NEVER AGAIN be sexy in anything.
I also lost whatever respect I may once have had for William Petersen."

Hello...they are sctors and were saying hteir lines, not their political philosophy.


32 posted on 11/03/2005 8:15:27 PM PST by takbodan (.)
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To: durasell

You obviously have the internet-why do you watch network TV when you could be working on the internet.


33 posted on 11/03/2005 8:17:23 PM PST by mrmargaritaville
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To: takbodan
> Hello...they are sctors and were saying hteir lines, not their political philosophy.

Sorry, gotta disagree. You could tell that they [in particular, Marge Helgenberger] were relishing their lines.

Their characters have always been a bunch of arrogant pricks, but tonight I got the unmistakable impression that Helgenberger was playing it from the heart.

34 posted on 11/03/2005 8:18:45 PM PST by jailbird
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To: mrmargaritaville

I like the internet. I like watching movies. And I like a few shows on TV, though not many. In traveling for business I do stay at hotels/motels that have cable and from what I can see, it's not worth the price I'd pay to have it at home.


35 posted on 11/03/2005 8:23:03 PM PST by durasell
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To: Pyro7480
Hey, this is an ongoing fact! Tonight we got a young black girl giving grace over supper on ER and saying the war in Iraq was based on lies...

Last night's Boston Legal had Alan Shore suing the Army over a soldier's death and even the judge (Laugh-In's Henry Gibson!) who dismissed the action says the war is a mess!

It just goes on and on and on... On just about every TV series and film! When is the last time you heard anyone on TV or in a movie defend the President, Republicans or Conservatives unless the defender is portrayed as a SOB or a nut job?

Good Grief! Its the media! The left wing media!

We need films & television series that offer the Conservative side...

Otherwise the 1st Amendment just a PR prompt for the lying libs!
36 posted on 11/03/2005 8:23:04 PM PST by Bender2 (Even dirty old robots need love!)
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To: Pyro7480

Marg Helgenberger (Katherine on CSI) is a huge pro-abort and can be seen standing next to NOW and NARAL organizers at their protests. I liked CSI in the beginning because of the storylines and twists but finally decided that I just cannot watch anymore. Am hoping that half the viewers tonight turned it off and it will sink in the ratings.
rwgal(Mrs MM)


37 posted on 11/03/2005 8:24:16 PM PST by Meadow Muffin
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To: cmet

When she defended her unprofessional behavior because she was "pro-choice", she looked like a childish idiot. Grissom's face said it all. The brainwashing may not have been effective as they intended.

From the prolife angle, the two young women involved in the embryo donation and adoption came off as honorable and good. The director of the embryo adoption project may have been protrayed as a fake, but that's not untypical in both conservative and liberal 501C3's.

Also, that beautiful little boy showed clearly that an embryo is not only a life, but a tiny little miracle.


38 posted on 11/03/2005 8:24:16 PM PST by TaxRelief ("Conservatives are cracking down!" -- Rush Limbaugh, October 13, 2005)
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To: Pyro7480
Hollywood is so biased, tacky, and trashy that they inadvertently recruit for us.

And, like icing on a cake, after they've turned folks into conservatives, the converted quit watching TV. It's a twofer.

Go for it Hollywood -- keep pushing the liberal viewpoints - the more extreme, the better... ( and yeah, trash conservatives and Christians while you're at it) We need all the voters we can get...

39 posted on 11/03/2005 8:24:51 PM PST by GOPJ
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To: GOPJ

Maybe they'll introduce a talking car. There hasn't been a good talking car show for years.


40 posted on 11/03/2005 8:29:12 PM PST by durasell
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