Dinosaur-Bird Flap Ruffles Feathers

Yahoo!News ^ | October 10, 2005 | E.J. Mundell

[mlc9852]

MONDAY, Oct. 10 (HealthDay News) -- Head to the American Museum of Natural History's Web site, and you'll see the major draw this fall is a splashy exhibit on dinosaurs.

And not just any dinosaurs, but two-legged carnivorous, feathered "theropods" like the 30-inch-tall Bambiraptor -- somewhat less cuddly than its namesake.

The heyday of the theropods, which included scaly terrors like T. rex and velociraptor, stretched from the late Triassic (220 million years ago) to the late Cretaceous (65 million years ago) periods.

[evilrightwingconspirator]

If you can give me a complete and "finished" (meaning not missing any "missing links")fossil record, starting with the big bang, then I'll start to take you seriously. Even then, that doesn't mean that evolution's true. Oh, btw, if the big bang actually happened, where did all the matter for the big bang come from? If you are a "scientist" and not a "layperson" you will be able to give a better answer than the "oh it was always there" after all, it had to come from somewhere, right?

[newsgatherer]

People always laugh at stuff they don't understand. You're a prime example.

Now that is a pretty stupid statement! I know and can articulate what I believe in, God created the everything and He did it in six days!

Now, let's see you articulte what you believe as clearly.

Take as much space as you want, I really need a good alugh this moring, you evolutionist keep digging a deeper and deeper hole for yourselves. Open mouth insert millions and millions of feet.

[evilrightwingconspirator]

Creationists predicted that "half a wing" would be unworkable and useless.

That's because a half a wing WOULD be unworkable and useless. Besides, having a wing doesn't mean that a bird can fly. Think of the ostrich, dodo bird, penguin...

[newsgatherer]

Don't have time to look at your silly links, just answer the questions, if you can, which I doubt. Don't try sending me all over the net to do yur homework, if yu can't answer the question jsut say "Da, I don't know... but, I know my great, great granddaddy 2 zillion times removed was either a rock, or a monkey."

[Ichneumon]

If you can give me a complete and "finished" (meaning not missing any "missing links")fossil record, starting with the big bang, then I'll start to take you seriously. Even then, that doesn't mean that evolution's true.

By such a ridiculously high standard of proof, no one would accept any religion either, or anything else at all.

If those are the lengths you will go to in order to shield yourself from following the massive amounts of evidence where it overwhelmingly indicates, I will not trouble you with pesky real-world evidence. Enjoy your beliefs, I hope they serve you well. I wouldn't dream of making you uncomfortable by presenting you with facts which might cause you to question your premises.

[Ichneumon]

[People always laugh at stuff they don't understand. You're a prime example.]

Now that is a pretty stupid statement! I know and can articulate what I believe in, God created the everything and He did it in six days!

And this has *what* to do with my observation about how you don't know anything about evolutionary biology, and thus you laugh at it? Oh, right, nothing.

Now, let's see you articulte what you believe as clearly.

Okay: I believe you're trolling.

[Ichneumon]

[Creationists predicted that "half a wing" would be unworkable and useless.]

That's because a half a wing WOULD be unworkable and useless

Didn't bother to actually read the rest of the post, I see...

[newsgatherer]

You're lying again. Nowhere have I "attacked the Word of God". Retract your slur, or I will take the matter up with the moderators.

When you say millions and millions of years, you are calling God a liar! When you say we evolved, you are calling God a liar! Read Genesis chapter one and two. God says In the beginning He made everything. He says He did it in six literal 24 hour days, Read Exodus 2-:11, written not by man but by the very finger of God.

You attack me and you call God a lair instead of defending your humanist religious belief. Go to the moderator see if he or she agrees with you.

Now tell me, according to your religious belief in evolution, how did you get here? Why are you here? What happens to you after you die?

[newsgatherer]

Say, why do you continue to attack me instead of defending your evolutionist belief?

Tell me, as an evolutionist, How did we get here? Why are you here? What happens to you after you die? What do you use for the basis of law? Whose laws do you follow? Are there any absolutes? If so, if they do not come for God where do they come form? And if not, are you absolutely sure?

[Ichneumon]

Don't have time to look at your silly links,

Can't risk actually *learning* something, eh?

just answer the questions, if you can, which I doubt.

I *have* answered the questions already. Try to keep up.

Don't try sending me all over the net to do yur homework,

I'm trying to get you to do *your* homework before you spout off more nonsense, son. If you don't know the subject, stop making confidently arrogant (and wrong) pronouncements about it.

And if you can't be bothered to actually read a technical answer, stop asking questions about how science works. It's a technical field, and proper answers can't be accurately distilled down to the sort of bumper-sticker slogans that creationists are so fond of. If you want to learn how radiometric dating works, in sufficient depth to be confident that it's accurate and a valid method of determining dates, you're going to have to actually *LEARN* how it works, in detail. If you can't be bothered with that, feel free to skip the science threads and go hang out on the daily cartoon threads or something else more in line with your capabilities.

if yu can't answer the question jsut say "Da, I don't know... but, I know my great, great granddaddy 2 zillion times removed was either a rock, or a monkey."

Your shtick gets old and boring pretty fast.

[newsgatherer]

Newsgatherer, your Christian faith reminds me of Alice in Wonderland ...

Ah and your evolutionary faith reminds me of the princess who kissed the frog and the frog became a prince. Yu guys have just changed the method, she kissed the frog and he became a prince, you guys replaced the kiss with millions and millions of years, and the frog became a prince.

[newsgatherer]

You believe everything came from nothing and that nothing somehow became a spinning dot which exploded and became everything etc, etc, etc. And you think I care what you think or believe? You have got to be joking.

By the way, I love the way you guys say, with a straight face and an ever so condescending tone,: "Billions and Billions of years ago, in a galaxy far, far away, there was nothing and this nothing..."

[Junior]

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CrevoSci threads for the past week:

1. 2005-10-11 Dinosaur-Bird Flap Ruffles Feathers
2. 2005-10-10 Backward, Christian Soldiers! (Intel-Design supporters equivalent to 'Holocaust Deniers')
3. 2005-10-10 Creationism concerns shadow Florida's new top educator
4. 2005-10-10 Did feathered dinosaurs exist?
5. 2005-10-10 EUGENICS - From Darwinism to Population Control
6. 2005-10-10 Intelligent design's big ambitions - Advocates want much more than textbooks.
7. 2005-10-10 Killer Findings: Scientists Piece Together 1918-Flu Virus
8. 2005-10-10 Latest Study: Scientists Say No Evidence Exists
9. 2005-10-09 Evolution of faith
10. 2005-10-09 Gov. Bush [Florida] oddly evasive on evolution
11. 2005-10-09 Putting Relativity To The Test, NASA's Gravity Probe B To Reveale If Einstein Was Right
12. 2005-10-08 Famed author takes on Kansas: Rushdie bemoans role of religion in public life
13. 2005-10-07 Descent of Man in Dover (Why acceptance of ID not inevitable.)
14. 2005-10-07 Discovery Institute's “Wedge Document” How Darwinist Paranoia Fueled an Urban Legend
15. 2005-10-07 Dover, PA Evolution Trial [daily thread for 07 Oct]
16. 2005-10-07 Evolution and intelligent design Life is a cup of tea
17. 2005-10-07 Let 'intelligent design' and science rumble
18. 2005-10-07 The Las Cruces Fossil Human Footprints
19. 2005-10-07 The Map that Changed the World [in 1815]
20. 2005-10-07 University of Idaho Bans All Alternatives to Evolution
21. 2005-10-07 Why Intelligent Design Is Going to Win
22. 2005-10-06 Faith, Science and the Persecution of Richard Sternberg
23. 2005-10-06 Scientist defends Big Bang and God
24. 2005-10-06 Seeing Creation and Evolution in Grand Canyon (quote below is the most significant item)
25. 2005-10-06 The Mouth of the South Side (Carl Everett on Gays, Evolution, Bush and Kanye West)
26. 2005-10-06 U of I president:teach only evolution in {University}science classes (Connection to PA court fight)
27. 2005-10-06 Witness: 'Design' Replaced 'Creation'
28. 2005-10-06 Witness: Movement's roots in creationism (Dover trial 10/6/05)
29. 2005-10-05 Professor, teachers to testify in intelligent-design trial [Dover, PA, 05 Oct]
30. 2005-10-05 Supernova Storm Wiped Out Mammoths?
31. 2005-10-05 The Nobel Prize in Chemistry 2005 goes to Yves Chauvin, Robert H. Grubbs and Richard R. Schrock

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[Join Or Die]

"How did we get here?"

Not sure, but many of us are not content with "God did it, it's a miracle" as the answer to that question.

"Why are you here?"

Good question. I tend to believe there is no real point.

"What happens to you after you die?"

I'd put my money on "nothing exciting".

"What do you use for the basis of law?"

Property rights.

"Whose laws do you follow?"

The ones agreed upon by the society in which I live.

"Are there any absolutes?"

Only one I can think of, that any absolute can change if the evidence changes, a great catch 22.

[newsgatherer]

If you can give me a complete and "finished" (meaning not missing any "missing links")fossil record, starting with the big bang, then I'll start to take you seriously.

Far be it for me to interrupt, but I thought you mind find this quote interesting.

I fully agree with your comments about the lack of direct illustration of evolutionary transitions in my book. If I knew of any, fossil or living, I would have certainly included them....” Dr. Colin Paterson, British Museum of Natural History

[jayef]

Another command performance! My hat's off to you sir.

[newsgatherer]

I thank you, you are the first 'evolutionist' who has ever answered those quesitons.

And while I am in total disagreement with yur answers, I hnestly do appreciate your taking the time to answer them.

Jake

[Liberal Classic]

Thank you for this excellent post. It's a shame that it is dismissed out of hand by those who need to read it the most.

[Ichneumon]

I fully agree with your comments about the lack of direct illustration of evolutionary transitions in my book. If I knew of any, fossil or living, I would have certainly included them....” Dr. Colin Paterson, British Museum of Natural History

Yawn. Another dishonestly out-of-context quote from an anti-evolution creationist. Plus, the sky is blue.

See: Patterson Misquoted: A Tale of Two 'Cites'

Do you guys *practice* at being dishonest?

Here's a full quote from Patterson which clearly demonstrates that you're misrepresenting his actual position concerning the existence of transitional fossils:

"In several animal and plant groups, enough fossils are known to bridge the wide gaps between existing types. In mammals, for example, the gap between horses, asses and zebras (genus Equus) and their closest living relatives, the rhinoceroses and tapirs, is filled by an extensive series of fossils extending back sixty-million years to a small animal, Hyracotherium, which can only be distinguished from the rhinoceros-tapir group by one or two horse-like details of the skull. There are many other examples of fossil 'missing links', such as Archaeopteryx, the Jurassic bird which links birds with dinosaurs (Fig. 45), and Ichthyostega, the late Devonian amphibian which links land vertebrates and the extinct choanate (having internal nostrils) fishes. . ."
-- Dr. Colin Patterson in his book "Evolution" (1978, Routledge & Kegan Paul Ltd.).