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I was wrong; so please join me in supporting Harriet Miers.

Posted on 10/09/2005 3:28:25 PM PDT by Pukin Dog

I decided to end my self-imposed exile from posting due to information that I received this past weekend from ‘a little birdie’ in Washington, which I subsequently had confirmed by another ‘insider’ if you can call him that.

You know I won’t tell, so don’t bother asking me for names, links, or further information. I trust these individuals, and have received accurate information from them before and shared it here on Free Republic. Of course, all are free to either accept or reject what I am about to share, but if you know anything about the Dog, I don’t change my mind often, and my only goal is to pass on information that can help support the Conservative agenda.

Issue 1.

Information was shared with me on Saturday, which described in no uncertain terms that Harriet Miers stands as the only nominee on Bush’s list which has any chance of confirmation by the Senate Judiciary Committee. The reasons for this are numerous, and would be embarrassing to the Conservative movement should one or many of the ‘stars’ who we hoped Bush would select be shot down in Committee, which again, if true, would be a certainty.

More than one of the persons we might have wanted made it clear to the President that they would not accept his nomination if selected. You can draw your own conclusions as to why, but the only hint I will provide is that data mining works too damn well these days. What we saw back when Clarence Thomas was nominated would seem like a walk in the park, compared to what would be done to some of our most popular jurists.

Our Democrat opponents have been quite busy, especially after John Roberts embarrassed them, searching for any information that would allow an open personal attack on a nominee. Sadly, many of the folks we wanted badly would have had their lives destroyed had they attempted confirmation to the bench, and wisely declined. There is no one among us who has not done (or had a family member do) things that we either regret, or would rather keep to ourselves. Because none of us are perfect, it is possible that had one of our choices been selected, we might have lived to regret that day for a very long time.

Issue 2.

Arlen Specter is in my opinion, a traitor to the Conservative movement. He has made it clear to the White House that he is determined to protect his legacy, by NOT supporting any name among those who might make it possible to overturn Rowe V. Wade. What that means, is that had Bush put up someone who might make us proud, Specter reneged on a PROMISE to support Bush’s judicial nominees in return for his, (and especially Rick Santorum’s) support for his re-election. This promise was made when there was strong consideration for removing Specter’s pending chairmanship in favor of John Coryn, or an extension to the term of Orrin Hatch.

The removal of Specter from the Chairmanship would have been disastrous, because he would have remained a committee member, and would have sided with Democrats against the President’s selections out of spite. So, why not simply remove Specter from the committee? That would have been really bad PR, considering Specter’s health issues at the time these decisions were being made.

One could argue that it might have been best to send up nominee after nominee, even if eventually defeated, but remember that O’Conner is only around hoping for a quick confirmation so that she can be with her ill husband. Bush was under the gun to come up with a confirmable candidate, or risk a Supreme Court not running at full strength as important rulings came under review.

I am told that Arlen Specter has gone back on every single promise he made when his chairmanship was still a question, and feels untouchable now that he is ill, because any punitive measures taken against him would be seen as ‘less than compassionate’ by the MSM and Democrats, who admittedly would have a field day, were Specter punished for his duplicity. The sad thing is that after “Scottish Law” or even the “Magic Bullet theory” that some think that anything that Arlen Specter says can be trusted. Sure, he supported Clarence Thomas, but does anyone believe that Specter would still be a Senator if he had not?

Issue 3.

Let’s face it; our Republican Senate is an embarrassment. From the weakness of Frist, to the petulance of the dude who ‘thinks he is leader’ McCain, down to his McCainiac compadre Lindsey (tinker-bell) Graham, to the nut from Mississippi who thinks he can actually get his leadership position back by actively rebelling against the President, we aint looking to good at all.

Our Republican Senate has as members at least 7 Democrats who could have never gotten elected as Democrats, who nonetheless support the Democrat agenda whenever they can get away with it, which unfortunately due to the weakness of Frist, is all too often. I find myself wishing Tom Delay would run for the Senate against Hutchinson, just so we can have someone in the Senate not afraid to break some heads to get things done. Why can’t we have a Republican Lyndon Johnson when we need one?

Because our Republican Senate is so weak, President Bush cannot rely on them for much. He could not have gotten majority support in this current Senate for any judicial nominee that would have made us proud. The usual suspects have made it clear to the President that any nominee who would have put their re-election prospects at risk would vote against that nominee. The bottom line, is that the Republican Senate is made up of too many who want the job, but not the work. The only job they see before them is that of getting re-elected to another six year term.

Luttig, McConnell, JRB, Owen, Alito, or anyone else you want to name, would have been defeated, and probably defeated in committee, in order to save other Senators from having to vote them down on the floor. Of this, I am now convinced. Only two names were considered allowable for Senate confirmation; Miers and Gonzales. When Bush met with Senators, he was reportedly told that these two names were the only ones that stood a chance to be confirmed, but Gonzales would face pointed questions about Abu Gharab, Gitmo, and the administration’s policy on torture. It would have been ugly, but he would have been confirmed against the added damage done by dejected a dejected conservative base, and liberal attacks on the President’s agenda. There would have also had to be a new search for an Attorney General, which would have been just as ugly.

Had Bush put up selections that would have been defeated, the chorus of ‘Lame Duck’ chanting coming out of Washington would have drowned out the President’s agenda. A defeat in the Senate would have also signaled to Congress that they were on their own, and no longer had to back up, support, or even listen to President Bush. They would have been free to play the political-calculation game that the Democrats have been playing for 6 years; avoiding tough votes that would be used against them in a future campaign.

So, what’s the bottom line?

The bottom line is that Bush did his best to give us what we want, in a way that will not hurt the prospects of the Conservative agenda. The primary thing that must be considered, is that the Congress can NEVER be put back in Democrat hands, for that would destroy all progress made up to now. Our day will come, but this aint it. If we had a Republican Senate made up of real patriots without the odd liberal in Republican clothing, things would be a lot better.

In Miers, Bush has clearly taken what he can get, and our best hope now is for another vacancy on the court before this administration’s term is up. The current makeup of the Congress will just not allow our agenda to be passed at this time without major sacrifices and pragmatic thinking to overcome the inherit weakness of having traitors in our midst.

It appears to me that Harriet Miers is the best CONFIRMABLE candidate for the Supreme Court at this time. This fact is not the fault of the President. Indeed it is OUR fault. It is us who have supported less than the best candidates for the Senate. We are responsible for Chaffee, Snowe, McCain, Graham, Lott, Frist and other persons of questionable courage. We should not be blaming Bush for our own votes. We selected the people that the President must rely upon to move his agenda forward. If they are losers, then he loses too.

Though they literally suck, we are stuck with these people because we must keep the majority to keep our agenda alive. There have been worse moments for us, but none would be worse than than the day we lose the Senate our House majorities. I now believe that although Bush disapointed many of us, that he did the very best he could do without destroying our momentum.

Yes, like Rush Limbaugh said, it was a choice made from weakness.

But the thing to remember, is that it was not Bush’s weakness, but our own, and that of the people we have elected to Congress that made this happen. Had they been strong, Bush could have selected anyone we wanted.

Because of what I now know about how and why Harriet Miers was selected, I withdraw my earlier statements against her, my statements suggesting anything less than my strong support of the President, and finally, my self imposed exile from Free Republic.

Pukin Dog is back, so deal with it.


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To: oceanview

Could we work really hard to change the complexion of the Senate next year? Please?

Maybe Stevens could hold out just a little longer—and yet, not too long.


281 posted on 10/09/2005 4:37:34 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: Pukin Dog
Exactly right. The gang of 14 just killed us. And you know who their leaders were, right? Some the same RINOs that will destroy our agenda should they ever gain enough power.

Seems to me you are are stating those of us that warned a small group had staged a coup of the entire government when they made that deal, were right. I was told that assessment was ridiculous by countless numbers at the time, not you I don't believe.

282 posted on 10/09/2005 4:37:39 PM PDT by Soul Seeker (Barbour/Honore in '08)
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To: Miss Marple

You mean like that incumbent Senator in N.H., Bob Smith, when he was challenged in the primary by Sununu? Who did Bush endorse?


283 posted on 10/09/2005 4:37:42 PM PDT by streetpreacher (If at the end of the day, 100% of both sides are not angry with me, I've failed.)
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To: Pukin Dog; All

I would like to thank all those who are bumping this thread to the top for more FReepers to see it even if they are not addressing the subject at all ... :-)


284 posted on 10/09/2005 4:37:43 PM PDT by kayak (Proud monthly donor and Dollar-a-Day FReeper. You can be one, too.)
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To: WatchingInAmazement

This is not the least bit convincing. Other nominees could get approved. Grow a spine. This no-name has no business on the Supreme Court...


285 posted on 10/09/2005 4:37:53 PM PDT by The Worthless Miracle
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To: Experiment 6-2-6
Part of me thinks that there should be Free Republic NORTH and Free Republic SOUTH. And all the PRO Miers types should attend the FR South and the anti-Miers anti-Bush anti-anything that doesn't wear a brownshirt can bi*&h to each other on the FR North.

You advocate creating an echo chamber? A related comment ... your bias is showing. You paint FR North with a negative brush.

286 posted on 10/09/2005 4:38:22 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: nerdgirl
Do you want a fight or a borking or do you want a Justice that's going to be confirm able and on the Court fulfilling the promise Bush made? There is the "right" to die case and two abortion cases coming up. Bush wants Miers on the court by Thanksgiving. SHE then gets to decide instead of O'Connor. Miers knows the Constitution that's what she's been dealing with in the WH and Bush knows Miers.

You can bet that the Rats have a library on all of the possible conservative candidates and what they don't have they'll make up as with Thomas. Roberts made them look like the fools they are. Besides, there is the assumption that the other conservative candidates want to go through all the crap that Owens, Brown, Estrada, etc. We don't know how many privately declined.

Take a look at what's happening with Delay, Rove, Libby and now Freeh.

The least we can do is give Miers a hearing before blasting her and Bush. Miers could be Bush's best strategy yet.
287 posted on 10/09/2005 4:38:31 PM PDT by pieces of time
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To: DrDeb
He agreed on Miers, and I believe that if he goes to far, Bush will make him pay this time.
288 posted on 10/09/2005 4:38:46 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Guenevere

I found it by doing a ping on you. It is not co-extensive for PD's assertions. In fact, it says little.


289 posted on 10/09/2005 4:39:20 PM PDT by Torie
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To: streetpreacher
So you expect us to believe that every qualified constitutionalist jurist declined the nomination based on skeletons in their closets?

These Senators were taught by Clinton about the politics of personal destruction. The smallest thing could be blown out of proportion by a willing MSM. I haven't forgotten what the Clintons taught DC.

290 posted on 10/09/2005 4:39:53 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: Pukin Dog

"In Miers, Bush has clearly taken what he can get, and our best hope now is for another vacancy on the court before this administration’s term is up. The current makeup of the Congress will just not allow our agenda to be passed at this time without major sacrifices and pragmatic thinking to overcome the inherit weakness of having traitors in our midst."

Let me get this right: Miers is all we can get for now, for all the byzantine reasons you outline. But the next time out, we get what we want, per you: "our best hope now is for another vacancy on the court before this administration’s term is up."

So what if Stevens falls over right after Christmas?

THEN we get the nominee we want?

THEN our pubbie senators have stones and purity of vision?

THEN all that "embarrassing stuff" that would "derail" a desirable nominee, and ruin his reputation...WON'T come into play?

Please don't peddle your "insider" stuff if even my blind, 17-year-old, deaf poodle can spot it for the manipulative $hit it is.

Your post is a waste and an insult.

I used to like you. And probably will again. But tonight ain't the night, Sweetheart.



291 posted on 10/09/2005 4:40:04 PM PDT by John Robertson (Safe Travel)
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To: Pukin Dog

I know......sorry, I'm not usually that way. I took it all out on you. Plus, I was really, really pissed at Ann Coulter.


292 posted on 10/09/2005 4:40:09 PM PDT by Annie5622
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To: DrDeb

Estrada was never on the list, and Owens taking herself out was public news two days ago.


293 posted on 10/09/2005 4:40:31 PM PDT by Torie
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To: daviscupper

Amen!


294 posted on 10/09/2005 4:41:01 PM PDT by Lucretia Borgia (Reagan is probably spinning in his grave.)
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To: Pukin Dog

What I find strange, is individuals ready to support someone who hasn't really been asked any questions at length about her history, her judgement, her "conversion", and so on.

What I am finding is that the some convservatives are coming out saying "I trust Bush," or "she has great, real world experience," "she has yada yada yada." And from other conservatives its "What!? she doesn't have a track history!!!" or "She is a convert, NO!!!" or "We were ROBBBED!!" "CRONYISM".

...and we haven't even started the process of hearings. All we've seen is her being paraded around to various senators and what not. Maybe what should be said or happening is "I trust Bush in naming a candidate, now its up to us conservatives to see if he did well by checking her out." Like Reagan said, "Trust, but verify."
Conservatism is not one man, i.e. Bush. Its a state of consciousness that needs to be protected, encouraged, and grown. Bush is our CEO, but we are the Board of Directors.
In a couple of years, God wiling, we will have another CEO.


295 posted on 10/09/2005 4:41:15 PM PDT by Tulsa Ramjet (If not now, when?)
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To: Pukin Dog

I always have supported Miers, Pukin K-9. Thank you for joining me in supporting the lady.

And welcome back.


296 posted on 10/09/2005 4:41:17 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Show me a liberal or RINO and I'll show you a head & heart, fit for nothing but cracking walnuts.)
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To: Annie5622

Kristol is still ticked that he didn't become President McCain's press secretary. I shudder to think of what McCain's nominees would have looked like.


297 posted on 10/09/2005 4:41:25 PM PDT by Pan_Yan (All grey areas are fabrications.)
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To: Annie5622
Just watched Kristol on Fox. Who the hell does he think he is? It's obvious that he, for one, is just pissed because he wasn't consulted.

On the other hand, he looked like the cat that swallowed the canary when he talked about how his "White House sources" are worried sick about the indictments they expect.

298 posted on 10/09/2005 4:41:28 PM PDT by maryz
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To: Guenevere

>>..find the transcript somewhere.

FoxNews Transcripts by e-mail - for personal use - $9.95 https://secure.fdchemedia.com/secure/fox/forms/index.php3 will get you started...


299 posted on 10/09/2005 4:41:43 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Liberals - Stuck on Stupid.)
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To: Pukin Dog

A good read. Sums up my opinion of the Senate GOP.


300 posted on 10/09/2005 4:42:13 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (© 2005, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
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