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I was wrong; so please join me in supporting Harriet Miers.

Posted on 10/09/2005 3:28:25 PM PDT by Pukin Dog

I decided to end my self-imposed exile from posting due to information that I received this past weekend from ‘a little birdie’ in Washington, which I subsequently had confirmed by another ‘insider’ if you can call him that.

You know I won’t tell, so don’t bother asking me for names, links, or further information. I trust these individuals, and have received accurate information from them before and shared it here on Free Republic. Of course, all are free to either accept or reject what I am about to share, but if you know anything about the Dog, I don’t change my mind often, and my only goal is to pass on information that can help support the Conservative agenda.

Issue 1.

Information was shared with me on Saturday, which described in no uncertain terms that Harriet Miers stands as the only nominee on Bush’s list which has any chance of confirmation by the Senate Judiciary Committee. The reasons for this are numerous, and would be embarrassing to the Conservative movement should one or many of the ‘stars’ who we hoped Bush would select be shot down in Committee, which again, if true, would be a certainty.

More than one of the persons we might have wanted made it clear to the President that they would not accept his nomination if selected. You can draw your own conclusions as to why, but the only hint I will provide is that data mining works too damn well these days. What we saw back when Clarence Thomas was nominated would seem like a walk in the park, compared to what would be done to some of our most popular jurists.

Our Democrat opponents have been quite busy, especially after John Roberts embarrassed them, searching for any information that would allow an open personal attack on a nominee. Sadly, many of the folks we wanted badly would have had their lives destroyed had they attempted confirmation to the bench, and wisely declined. There is no one among us who has not done (or had a family member do) things that we either regret, or would rather keep to ourselves. Because none of us are perfect, it is possible that had one of our choices been selected, we might have lived to regret that day for a very long time.

Issue 2.

Arlen Specter is in my opinion, a traitor to the Conservative movement. He has made it clear to the White House that he is determined to protect his legacy, by NOT supporting any name among those who might make it possible to overturn Rowe V. Wade. What that means, is that had Bush put up someone who might make us proud, Specter reneged on a PROMISE to support Bush’s judicial nominees in return for his, (and especially Rick Santorum’s) support for his re-election. This promise was made when there was strong consideration for removing Specter’s pending chairmanship in favor of John Coryn, or an extension to the term of Orrin Hatch.

The removal of Specter from the Chairmanship would have been disastrous, because he would have remained a committee member, and would have sided with Democrats against the President’s selections out of spite. So, why not simply remove Specter from the committee? That would have been really bad PR, considering Specter’s health issues at the time these decisions were being made.

One could argue that it might have been best to send up nominee after nominee, even if eventually defeated, but remember that O’Conner is only around hoping for a quick confirmation so that she can be with her ill husband. Bush was under the gun to come up with a confirmable candidate, or risk a Supreme Court not running at full strength as important rulings came under review.

I am told that Arlen Specter has gone back on every single promise he made when his chairmanship was still a question, and feels untouchable now that he is ill, because any punitive measures taken against him would be seen as ‘less than compassionate’ by the MSM and Democrats, who admittedly would have a field day, were Specter punished for his duplicity. The sad thing is that after “Scottish Law” or even the “Magic Bullet theory” that some think that anything that Arlen Specter says can be trusted. Sure, he supported Clarence Thomas, but does anyone believe that Specter would still be a Senator if he had not?

Issue 3.

Let’s face it; our Republican Senate is an embarrassment. From the weakness of Frist, to the petulance of the dude who ‘thinks he is leader’ McCain, down to his McCainiac compadre Lindsey (tinker-bell) Graham, to the nut from Mississippi who thinks he can actually get his leadership position back by actively rebelling against the President, we aint looking to good at all.

Our Republican Senate has as members at least 7 Democrats who could have never gotten elected as Democrats, who nonetheless support the Democrat agenda whenever they can get away with it, which unfortunately due to the weakness of Frist, is all too often. I find myself wishing Tom Delay would run for the Senate against Hutchinson, just so we can have someone in the Senate not afraid to break some heads to get things done. Why can’t we have a Republican Lyndon Johnson when we need one?

Because our Republican Senate is so weak, President Bush cannot rely on them for much. He could not have gotten majority support in this current Senate for any judicial nominee that would have made us proud. The usual suspects have made it clear to the President that any nominee who would have put their re-election prospects at risk would vote against that nominee. The bottom line, is that the Republican Senate is made up of too many who want the job, but not the work. The only job they see before them is that of getting re-elected to another six year term.

Luttig, McConnell, JRB, Owen, Alito, or anyone else you want to name, would have been defeated, and probably defeated in committee, in order to save other Senators from having to vote them down on the floor. Of this, I am now convinced. Only two names were considered allowable for Senate confirmation; Miers and Gonzales. When Bush met with Senators, he was reportedly told that these two names were the only ones that stood a chance to be confirmed, but Gonzales would face pointed questions about Abu Gharab, Gitmo, and the administration’s policy on torture. It would have been ugly, but he would have been confirmed against the added damage done by dejected a dejected conservative base, and liberal attacks on the President’s agenda. There would have also had to be a new search for an Attorney General, which would have been just as ugly.

Had Bush put up selections that would have been defeated, the chorus of ‘Lame Duck’ chanting coming out of Washington would have drowned out the President’s agenda. A defeat in the Senate would have also signaled to Congress that they were on their own, and no longer had to back up, support, or even listen to President Bush. They would have been free to play the political-calculation game that the Democrats have been playing for 6 years; avoiding tough votes that would be used against them in a future campaign.

So, what’s the bottom line?

The bottom line is that Bush did his best to give us what we want, in a way that will not hurt the prospects of the Conservative agenda. The primary thing that must be considered, is that the Congress can NEVER be put back in Democrat hands, for that would destroy all progress made up to now. Our day will come, but this aint it. If we had a Republican Senate made up of real patriots without the odd liberal in Republican clothing, things would be a lot better.

In Miers, Bush has clearly taken what he can get, and our best hope now is for another vacancy on the court before this administration’s term is up. The current makeup of the Congress will just not allow our agenda to be passed at this time without major sacrifices and pragmatic thinking to overcome the inherit weakness of having traitors in our midst.

It appears to me that Harriet Miers is the best CONFIRMABLE candidate for the Supreme Court at this time. This fact is not the fault of the President. Indeed it is OUR fault. It is us who have supported less than the best candidates for the Senate. We are responsible for Chaffee, Snowe, McCain, Graham, Lott, Frist and other persons of questionable courage. We should not be blaming Bush for our own votes. We selected the people that the President must rely upon to move his agenda forward. If they are losers, then he loses too.

Though they literally suck, we are stuck with these people because we must keep the majority to keep our agenda alive. There have been worse moments for us, but none would be worse than than the day we lose the Senate our House majorities. I now believe that although Bush disapointed many of us, that he did the very best he could do without destroying our momentum.

Yes, like Rush Limbaugh said, it was a choice made from weakness.

But the thing to remember, is that it was not Bush’s weakness, but our own, and that of the people we have elected to Congress that made this happen. Had they been strong, Bush could have selected anyone we wanted.

Because of what I now know about how and why Harriet Miers was selected, I withdraw my earlier statements against her, my statements suggesting anything less than my strong support of the President, and finally, my self imposed exile from Free Republic.

Pukin Dog is back, so deal with it.


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To: AxelPaulsenJr
I didn't agree with the signing of those two bills. How does my disagreeing with W. on those two instances disqualify me from trusting the man in this particular instance?

Because you are supporting his nomination of Miers strictly on the criterion of trust.

Did you vote for W. in 2004? If you did, you voted for him after he had signed those two bills. You in effect voted for a man that you don't trust.

I voted for him in 2000 and 2004 despite his votes on those issues. I didn't introduce the word trust into this equation, you did. I voted for him because I thought he was the best person for the job. I don't have to agree with him on every issue to vote for him.

Could W. have gotten a better candidate? Without a doubt. If Pukin Dog is correct, then Miers is the best that could be gotten under the circumstances

This is where we part company. I believe he could have picked a better candidate (with a proven track record) even under the circumstances. It was a fight worth having. Better the libs attack Bush than having fellow conservatives attack one another. The mid-terms are coming up next year. We need a motivated, supportive base.

At any rate, I do feel that in the Rove,Plame,Libby,Wilson matter, we have a really nasty problem ahead. That is going to make the current squabble over SC nominees seem irrelevant in comparison.

The Dems sense weakness. They will redouble their efforts against Rove, Delay, Frist, Libby, et. al. The nomination of Miers has contributed to the problem and the perception that the GOP is in disarray. Although the Dems may not control Congress and the WH, they act like they do, which is enough to intimidate the GOP. Appeasing them with Miers will not satiate their appetite for Rep hides.

1,121 posted on 10/12/2005 2:19:53 PM PDT by kabar
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To: AxelPaulsenJr
I think that is what Custer told his troops at the Little Big Horn.

Custer lost. Benteen lost. Reno lost. The United States Army won. Just ask Sitting Bull.

1,122 posted on 10/13/2005 1:11:15 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: kabar
I believe he could have picked a better candidate (with a proven track record) even under the circumstances. It was a fight worth having. Better the libs attack Bush than having fellow conservatives attack one another. The mid-terms are coming up next year. We need a motivated, supportive base.

Concurring BTTT. And AFAIC, here endeth the lesson. I just hope Harriett Miers will be a good sport and stand down. She'll be a good staff attorney, and a judgeship in her future -- perhaps on the seriously leftward-listing Ninth Circus -- wouldn't be out of the question. Just not this Associate Justiceship. We don't need a new judge up there; we need a golem of conservative rectitude, a true junior companion and successor to Justices Scalia and Thomas.

1,123 posted on 10/13/2005 1:20:29 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: kabar
I voted for him in 2000 and 2004 despite his votes on those issues. I didn't introduce the word trust into this equation, you did. I voted for him because I thought he was the best person for the job. I don't have to agree with him on every issue to vote for him.

Likewise, I don't have to agree with W. on every issue to trust him to make a good pick for USSC.

Because you are supporting his nomination of Miers strictly on the criterion of trust.

My is trust based on, as you said, W. was the best man for the job of President.

This is where we part company. I believe he could have picked a better candidate (with a proven track record) even under the circumstances.

I wonder what the final track record at the end of their term on the court has been of those picked with a "proven" track record.

It was a fight worth having.

Yeah it is quite evident that you guys on your side have been hankering for a good knockdown drag out fight. Not sure our spineless RINOS in the Senate would be up for the job.

A recent example is the caving of RINOS in the house over the energy bill. Now is the time to strike and strike hard, but noooooooooo, we cave and let the dims get away with murder.

Better the libs attack Bush than having fellow conservatives attack one another. The mid-terms are coming up next year. We need a motivated, supportive base.

Yes we do.

Appeasing them with Miers will not satiate their appetite for Rep hides.

Ms. Miers is an evangelical Christian, who no doubt the dims will be fearful of her voting to over turning Roe v. Wade. I am not so sure that her confirmation is a surety.

1,124 posted on 10/13/2005 6:52:02 AM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (Pray Daily For Our Troops and President Bush.)
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To: lentulusgracchus
Custer lost. Benteen lost. Reno lost.

Yes, but didn't they motivate their base by taking on the enemy with inferior forces?

The United States Army won. Just ask Sitting Bull.

I can't he's dead.

1,125 posted on 10/13/2005 6:54:22 AM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (Pray Daily For Our Troops and President Bush.)
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To: AxelPaulsenJr
I wonder what the final track record at the end of their term on the court has been of those picked with a "proven" track record.

On today's court, start with Breyer and Bader-Ginsberg. The Dems seemed to have selected the right ones. Scalia, Thomas, and Rehnquist had proven track records. Souter didn't. Kennedy did but has shifted somewhat. O'Connor was vetted but has turned towards the end of her career as part of her legacy building. I have no idea what was done in the case of Stephens.

Ms. Miers is an evangelical Christian, who no doubt the dims will be fearful of her voting to over turning Roe v. Wade. I am not so sure that her confirmation is a surety.

If that is meant to be a ray of hope, I would rather not put my trust in the Dems to block this one. GWB signed CFR hoping that SCOTUS would declare parts of it unconstitutional. It didn't happen as another 5 to 4 vote carried the day.

1,126 posted on 10/13/2005 7:11:38 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar; AxelPaulsenJr
This debate no longer matters.

Miers will be gone soon. She is going to withdraw. If not tomorrow, sometime next week.
1,127 posted on 10/13/2005 7:14:31 AM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Pukin Dog

Then what is the word, will W. pick another soon or let the matter ride for a while?


1,128 posted on 10/13/2005 7:23:57 AM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (Pray Daily For Our Troops and President Bush.)
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To: AxelPaulsenJr
Let it ride, baby, let it ride.....unless one of the decliners can be persuaded to change their mind.
1,129 posted on 10/13/2005 7:25:52 AM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Pukin Dog
unless one of the decliners can be persuaded to change their mind.

I was struck by the pic of the ceremony when W. announced his choice of John Roberts to be associate justice. In the foreground is Roberts' cute son frolicking in front of the President of the United States. While behind the kid stands the President and the Roberts. On the face of Roberts' wife is the look of someone about to be led to the gallows.

Ah yes, we all need a good anal exam every now and then.......

1,130 posted on 10/13/2005 7:36:11 AM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (Pray Daily For Our Troops and President Bush.)
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To: Pukin Dog

Some more inside information or pure speculation?


1,131 posted on 10/13/2005 7:36:50 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
Why on earth after all the stupid personal attacks would I bother to speculate?
1,132 posted on 10/13/2005 7:41:53 AM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Pukin Dog

A Delphic response. So I can assume that you have received some more "inside" information. Personally, I think Bush will dig in his heels and not withdraw her nomination. Only Harriet can do that to save face.


1,133 posted on 10/13/2005 7:50:40 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
I'm sorry, you deserved a better answer. Miers will withdraw her name, Bush wont have to do anything but make the announcement.
1,134 posted on 10/13/2005 7:55:24 AM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Pukin Dog

I guess you're following Rush reading the Drudge story on the air now?


1,135 posted on 10/13/2005 9:16:24 AM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (Pray Daily For Our Troops and President Bush.)
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To: AxelPaulsenJr
I never miss Rush, but I got my information last evening.
1,136 posted on 10/13/2005 9:38:44 AM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: hummingbird

HA! There's gotta be a tune in there somewhere. You're the humming-bird, I'll leave it up to you.


1,137 posted on 10/13/2005 6:08:27 PM PDT by Annie5622
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To: AxelPaulsenJr
[Me] The United States Army won. Just ask Sitting Bull.

[You] I can't he's dead.

Precisely.

1,139 posted on 10/14/2005 4:31:54 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: Pukin Dog

Nice post. Thanks for the info.


1,140 posted on 10/14/2005 4:51:53 AM PDT by EmilyGeiger
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