Posted on 10/07/2005 7:23:15 AM PDT by PatrickHenry
To keep this all in one daily thread, here are links to two articles in the York Daily Record (with excerpts from each), which has been doing a great job of reporting on the trial:
Forrest cross-examination a rambling wonder.
About the time that Richard Thompson, head law guy at the Thomas More center and chief defender of the Dover Area School Board, started his third year of cross-examination of philosopher Barbara Forrest, it was easy to imagine that at that moment, everyone in the courtroom, including Forrest, who doesn’t believe in God, was violating the separation of church and court by appealing to God for it to please, Lord, just stop.It wouldn’t have been so bad if there was a point to the ceaseless stream of questions from Thompson designed to elicit Lord knows what. He’d ask her the same question 18 different times, expecting, I guess, a different answer at some point. And he never got it.
Thompson, who said he’s a former prosecutor, should have known better. Forrest, a professor at Southeastern Louisiana University and expert on the history of the intelligent design creationist movement, was a lot smarter than, say, some poor, dumb criminal defendant.
Here is a summation of Forrest’s testimony: She examined the history of the intelligent design movement and concluded that it’s simply another name for creationism. And what led her to that conclusion? The movement leader’s own words. They started out with a religious proposition and sought to clothe it in science. The result was similar to putting a suit on your dog.
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Thompson was in the midst of asking Forrest whether she had heard a bunch of things that some people had said to indicate, well, to indicate whether she’d heard a bunch of things that some people had said, I guess, when the topic came up.
Thompson asked whether she had ever heard a statement by some guy — frankly, this one caught me off-guard and I didn’t catch the guy’s name — who said that belief in evolution can be used to justify “cross-species sex.”
This came on the same day that Thompson grilled Forrest about her opposition to the so-called Santorum amendment to the No Child Left Behind Act that seemed to encourage, sort of, the teaching of intelligent design. Our U.S. Sen. Rick Santorum is a friend of the intelligent design people.
He also has a strange obsession with bestiality, commenting that court decisions that uphold the right to privacy would lead to — naturally, and you know you were thinking it — man-on-dog sex.
Dover science teachers testified that they fought references to intelligent design.
Defense attorney Richard Thompson [he represents the school board] said differing opinions on whether teachers and administration worked in cooperation to create the Dover Area School District’s statement on intelligent design comes down to perspective.
Nice.
Hardly. You're just playing with micro-inventions whereas I, if I really wanted to, could pull a macro-invention out of my ... but you wouldn't no about that would you?
I am envious of anyone that can put together a coherent sentence, since I can't.
ahem...
"anyone WHO"
>/grammar nazi<
Yup. The tundra's starting to freeze over for the winter. I hope there isn't too much winter kill, or I could be in real trouble come spring.
I've got hurricanes to worry about. I'll leave the tundra and permafrost to you.
Thanks for reminding me. I have to go out tomorrow and dig a new outhouse hole before the ground freezes solid.
Because my wife and I are getting up there in age, I have to move the outhouse a bit closer to the shack. I'll have to bring it about 100m closer.
I thought you guys just chopped a hole in the ice.
Now that seems like a case of bad planning to me! (Gives a whole new meaning to "frozen wastelands.")
Or, It'll keep you running!
If you want to stick to the ice you do, otherwise it's much safer to elevate your position some.
Polar bears. Close - bad. Far - good.
This thread's back on topic.
Space aliens!
The bible has been saying this for thousands of years.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: (emphasis added)
The invisible things described above is the intelligent cause behind the facts of our universe (things that are made) that demonstrate God's intelligence and power. Then it states that anyone who chooses to overlook the obvious is without excuse.
SETI demonstrates that the universe does not create intelligence because the Laws of nature do not allow for the creation of intelligence, absent the preexistence of programmed information.
This thread's back on topic.
Space aliens!
Intelligent Design is the topic of the thread.
What brought this on? Do you have some reasoning behind this assertion?
The fact that random events in chemistry break up just as fast as they bind, nullifies the probability theorem of the infinite monkeys (in nature, the font that the monkey types disappears as the hammer retracts). Random events within the context of the Laws of Nature has no possibility of creating the complexity needed for life.
Couple this with manifold evidences of irreducible complexity found in living organisms, and Darwinian Evolution becomes a pipe-dream of the patched elbowed.
Hardly. This is leap of 'logic' that would do a trapeze artist proud. You're a very funny person! :^D
ping to post #418!
Logically laid out for all to consider.
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