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The Problem With Evolution
ChronWatch ^ | 09/25/05 | Edward L. Daley

Posted on 09/26/2005 5:44:09 AM PDT by DARCPRYNCE

Charles Darwin, the 19th century geologist who wrote the treatise 'The Origin of Species, by means of Natural Selection' defined evolution as "descent with modification". Darwin hypothesized that all forms of life descended from a common ancestor, branching out over time into various unique life forms, due primarily to a process called natural selection.

However, the fossil record shows that all of the major animal groups (phyla) appeared fully formed about 540 million years ago, and virtually no transitional life forms have been discovered which suggest that they evolved from earlier forms. This sudden eruption of multiple, complex organisms is often referred to as the Cambrian Explosion, and even Darwin knew about the lack of evidence in the fossil record to support his theory a century and a half ago.

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To: Mylo
Okay I hear you.

Such as the nature of good and evil, man-kind does it.

Sometimes when man does it he's in the role of a scientist, other times he's a megalomaniac like Hitler, sometimes he's just the night worker at the gas chamber, sometimes he's in the role a deluded priest, sometimes he's the head of the ACLU, sometimes he's terrorist at the controls of an airplane, and on and on and on.

Wolf
321 posted on 09/28/2005 1:55:47 PM PDT by RunningWolf (U.S. Army Veteran.....75-78)
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To: RunningWolf
And sometimes he is a religious fanatic who burns a Scientist at the stake for pointing out that the earth revolves around the sun. Yes. Evil.

More Evil has been done in the name of "good" than in any other cause; mostly by religious zealots and Communists- who think that any earthly evil can be justified for the 'paradise' they seek to create.
322 posted on 09/28/2005 2:03:34 PM PDT by Mylo ( scientific discovery is also an occasion of worship.)
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To: Mylo
Well I guess thats one difference from me and some individuals on 'each side'.

I see evil as something man-mankind does as what it is what it is, not what it is done in the name of. I don't single out one role of man over another as you have done here to focus on.

To better understanding,

Wolf
323 posted on 09/28/2005 2:46:49 PM PDT by RunningWolf (U.S. Army Veteran.....75-78)
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To: RunningWolf
Essential, proper sentence structure is, to better understanding for man-mankind.

what it is, what it is.

I couldn't' have said it better myself....... I guess?

Maybe I shouldn't call attention to the role of grammar to proper understanding as I have done here to focus on.

Just remember. People rarely do evil in the name of evil. They do evil in the name of good. Hitler thought he was a good Christian. Pol Pot thought he would create a paradise on earth.
324 posted on 09/28/2005 3:38:25 PM PDT by Mylo ( scientific discovery is also an occasion of worship.)
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To: Mylo
People rarely do evil in the name of evil. They do evil in the name of good. Hitler thought he was a good Christian. Pol Pot thought he would create a paradise on earth.

That is more a statement about the human psyche than anything else. What they do it in the name of is not as significant to me as it is here to the two sides. Man-mankind is seduced by evil, then he does it.

It seems more import to the debaters here to use what evil is done in the name of, than what it is of itself.


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Sorry about that. I do a lot of cut and paste even with my own text, and in the rush these things happen, however the grammar could use some improving.

About making up words, new word are made almost every day, the president does it, why cant I make up some to?

Wolf
325 posted on 09/28/2005 4:02:15 PM PDT by RunningWolf (U.S. Army Veteran.....75-78)
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To: RunningWolf
"Make some up to?"

Make some up to do what?

Or did you mean make them up ALSO?

that would be "make them up too?"

Sorry. I JUST CAN'T HELP MYSELF.

Thanks for your service. Air Force Vet 89-93.

And recognizing what motivates those who perpetrate evil is essential to understanding evil, and defeating it.

The islamofascists who flew airplanes into the World Trade Center thought they were doing "good". Knowing this is essential to understanding (and destroying) the ignorant bastards.
326 posted on 09/28/2005 4:11:08 PM PDT by Mylo ( scientific discovery is also an occasion of worship.)
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To: Mylo
Make some up to do what?

What are you talking about? To look nice of course!

Sorry. I JUST CAN'T HELP MYSELF

Its okay, since I have a trouble with the use of 'to' and 'too' I shall now invent a variable word 'tuw' I will use this word in all places of 'to' and 'too' and the reader can plug-in the form that best fits.

Now Air Force Vet, you have the assignment of delivering a warming device in the megaton range to the islamofascists-terrorists. Wolf will write something distasteful on it, and mess up the syntax and everything else so they have to work at reading it, and then cover for you on the way in.

Wolf

327 posted on 09/28/2005 10:23:44 PM PDT by RunningWolf (U.S. Army Veteran.....75-78)
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To: RunningWolf

thank you...I think our thoughts can sometimes get in the way of clear observations.


328 posted on 09/28/2005 11:24:37 PM PDT by fabian
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To: Right Wing Professor
The Professor, since he knows a little history, remembers that fundamentalist Christians in this country were until recently Democrats who voted for statist economic policies. Now he has to endure being lectured by these johnny-come-latelys about what a conservative is.

That’s a whole boatload of assumptions there, Professor, all of them wrong (if by johnny-come-lately you mean lately come to this blog, then that’s not an assumption because it’s a matter of record; otherwise you’re wrong on that too). I wasn’t aware that, here in Freeper-Town, proper deference to members of the old-line families was commanded of those who live over on the other side of the tracks.

You’ve propounded quite the templet there, Professor, and it seems, in your mind at least, anyone, who disputes anything you say, or who says something to your disliking, has to fit that templet. Another Liberal gig! (thank you Rush, for proposing and explaining this hypothesis)

This is not the first time Scientists have hit me with this templet, and I’ve put it off to a distemper occasioned by frustration. I can understand that. We all fall prey from time to time. But I’m getting a little tired of it. Instead of attacking what I say, you impugn my motives and then attack those. Another Liberal gig.

Three hundred years ago we were hanging witches in this country. I'm sorry, but a significant number of your co-religionists seem to have moved not a bit from the mind set that permitted those horrors.

Guilt by association. Still boogieing in the Liberal mode. Will you be suggesting next that I am a member of the former slave-holding class?

With the massive assumption of federal control of education at the behest of the current President, a little judicial oversight of school districts scarcely seems worth worrying about. In any case, this battle was lost when the 14th amendment was passed. The US Bill of Rights is now binding on the states. You can't go back 150 years to the aftermath of the civil war, any more than you can go back 300 years to theocracy.

A little judicial oversight of school districts scarcely seems worth worrying about until said oversight steps on your toes; then you’ll be howling like a banshee. Federal control of education isn’t just Bush’s idea. It dates back to the Carter Administration when Carter proposed an education department and got it past Congress. Even prior to that, the peoples resources (mistakenly called federal funds) were being sent to the states (that was the excuse for creating a Secretarial level Ed. Dpt.), but the creation of the federal education department was a sign of the shape of things to come. If you’re genuinely Right Wing, then you know that federal control, not mere ‘oversight,’ whatever that term means, follows close on the heels of ‘federal’ money. Since you’re apparently not willing to concede this fact in the present context, presumably because of my lack of trustworthiness, then I find myself again ‘lecturing’ you on the obvious.

I’m well aware of the implications of the 14th Amendment (and more than a little amused at the quandary of the judiciary in their desperate desire to see the 1st Article made binding on the states, and the 2nd Article not made binding). Notwithstanding, I cannot essay to identify any article which places education under the authority of the federal government, since the articles of the Bill of Rights “altogether respect personal liberty.”

I would prefer that government have nothing to do with education, wishing to bar government authority from asserting any control over the minds of the people, because I do not trust government to discern the true from the false, or to honestly report on it when it does. If we just absolutely must have government involved in education, then let it be at the local level, so when an error in policy or educational practice occurs, the whole nation does not suffer from the error. But that raises complications, since fragmented sovereignty makes control of the people enormously more difficult. That’s why Marxist/socialists favor highly centralized government. What’s your excuse?

I don’t trust you either, Professor, any more than you trust me. So what do we do? Stand around and take potshots at each other’s motives? Break off contact altogether? Or do we discuss the issues? Some of them are pretty darned interesting. I think it’s more than a little important to go back to the future 229 years to a society that had a better grip on government by the consent of the governed than any other I know.

So, here’s to the once and future Republic. May we sing praises to its resurrection as we mourn its passing.

329 posted on 09/29/2005 7:39:57 PM PDT by YHAOS
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To: YHAOS
This is not the first time Scientists have hit me with this templet, and I’ve put it off to a distemper occasioned by frustration. I can understand that. We all fall prey from time to time. But I’m getting a little tired of it. Instead of attacking what I say, you impugn my motives and then attack those. Another Liberal gig.

Your 301

I can see it now: the Professor awakes in a cold sweat from a nightmare of pine-tar torches, pitchforks, and hemp ropes, and of being pursued by rubes who want to teach their kids that the earth is flat, and who will encourage them to marry their first cousins. That more resembles the behavior and the understanding of a Liberal, than someone who purports to be ‘Right Wing.’

When you get within a few parsecs of practising what you preach, we can resume this discussion. Until then, if I want to listen to cant and hypocrisy, I'll turn on CSPAN.

330 posted on 09/29/2005 7:57:55 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right Wing Professor
"I'll turn on CSPAN."

Turn on CSPAN.

With a sniff, you dismiss a whole people as ‘the mob’ like Marie Antoinette dismissing a Paris rabble with a “Let them eat cake.” Then when I tease you about your superiorist attitude, you respond with a string of Liberal schtick. And, you have the nerve to accuse me of cant and hypocrisy. Look to the beam in your own eye, Professor.

You’re right, our discussions are at an end.

331 posted on 09/30/2005 8:13:47 PM PDT by YHAOS
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To: moog

We have more in common than you might think,to god a thousand years is but a twinkle of the eye?


332 posted on 10/01/2005 3:54:42 AM PDT by Nooseman
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To: Nooseman

We have more in common than you might think,to god a thousand years is but a twinkle of the eye.

Yes, I agree. But I had enough of the evolution thing the other night:). I only go on those kind of threads for entertainment purposes when I feel bored. I think to debate where we came from is a "religion" in itself to people on both sides of the debate. Now I did have a Grandma who looked like some kind of missing link (bald-headed and big bushy moustache), but that's all I will say:).


333 posted on 10/01/2005 9:48:04 AM PDT by moog
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To: moog
"I think to debate where we came from is a "religion" in itself"

It's not the act of debating "where we came from" that amounts to religion, it's the worldview to which one adheres, and from which one begins to debate, that defines one's faith.
To divorce oneself from such an irrational perspective is to seek true enlightenment.
334 posted on 10/02/2005 3:38:34 PM PDT by DARCPRYNCE
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To: YHAOS
That’s a whole boatload of assumptions there, Professor, all of them wrong (if by johnny-come-lately you mean lately come to this blog, then that’s not an assumption because it’s a matter of record; otherwise you’re wrong on that too...

At leas you can remember back to when you signed up on FR. But remembering back to the 1930s seems to be beyond your reach.

335 posted on 10/02/2005 3:45:26 PM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: DARCPRYNCE
It's not the act of debating "where we came from" that amounts to religion, it's the worldview to which one adheres, and from which one begins to debate, that defines one's faith. To divorce oneself from such an irrational perspective is to seek true enlightenment. Of course, I am was referring to religion in a figurative sense, as in what one places importance on. For example, if one values making gaining money above all else at the expense of other things, that becomes his/her "religion" in a sense. To debate where we came from is an art form for some, or in effect almost a "religion" as defined above. True religion of course, is belief and faith in God and adherence to his principles through the Savior Jesus Christ.
336 posted on 10/02/2005 4:02:23 PM PDT by moog
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To: js1138


“At leas you can remember back to when you signed up on FR. But remembering back to the 1930s seems to be beyond your reach.”

DonÂ’t be so dramatic.

You would have us all believe that thousands of school district patrons from each of thousands of school districts scattered across the several states of the Union, intend to suddenly reverse three hundred years of American church/state tradition, and demand that a cardinal be installed as the Secretary of Defense, or an archbishop as Secretary of State, or perhaps a rabbi be named as Secretary of Education. And all this as a matter of Constitutional privilege. You expect anyone to take this kind of extravagant polemics seriously?

Moreover, do you think you can achieve influence over school district patrons, or engender any warm regard from them, by accusing them of marrying their cousins, or that they are demanding flat-earth science be taught? Figure the more abuse you heap on them, the more theyÂ’ll find you irresistibly adorable?

My apologies for the tardiness of my response.

337 posted on 10/06/2005 6:03:39 PM PDT by YHAOS
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To: Mylo
"Pagans have no reason to hate Jews. Christians think they do."

But the Nazis made up the Jews as a wonderful scapegoat for all problems occurred in Germany.


"Hitlers many PUBLIC pronouncements were Christian and designed to inflame Christian sentiment against Jews."

The Nazis tried to inflame the Christians but that won't make them Christians. His "PUBLIC pronouncements" only seemed to be Christian. He speaks of "Vorsehung" but with no relation to Christianity. He preferred the Nordic deities.


Book: Michael Rißmann: Hitlers Gott: Vorsehungsglaube und Sendungsbewußtsein des deutschen Diktators, Pendo, Zürich/München 2001 ISBN 3-85842-421-8
338 posted on 10/18/2005 5:28:16 AM PDT by MHalblaub (Tell me in four more years (No, I did not vote for Kerry))
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To: moog

LOL,I would never ever speak of my, work worn, apalachian grandma in those terms.Maybe you were makin a funny? i'd make a funny to her face. Yes, I know it is very hard to consider, if our perception of beauty is ingrained ,or divine?


339 posted on 10/26/2005 4:34:21 AM PDT by Nooseman
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To: Nooseman

LOL,I would never ever speak of my, work worn, apalachian grandma in those terms.Maybe you were makin a funny? i'd make a funny to her face. Yes, I know it is very hard to consider, if our perception of beauty is ingrained ,or divine?

It's true. She looked like a pro wrestler. We always show her picture to any prospective fiances of my siblings.


340 posted on 10/26/2005 1:24:24 PM PDT by moog
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