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LIVE THREAD - German polls closed: AP: SCHROEDER DEFEATED!
SABC NEWS ^ | September 18, 2005, 08:15

Posted on 09/18/2005 12:12:37 AM PDT by alessandrofiaschi

Voting began in Germany's closely fought election today with millions of undecided voters holding the key to a result that will have major implications for economic reform in Europe.

Angela Merkel, a Christian Democrat (CDU) chancellor, is expected to emerge as Germany's first woman chancellor, displacing Gerhard Schroeder who has led Germany for the past seven years at the head of a centre-left government of Social Democrats and Greens.

A provisional result is expected to be announced in the early hours of Monday morning. The final opinion polls published on Friday gave Merkel's centre-right coalition with the liberal Free Democrats (FDP) a slim lead in a race it once dominated.

High stakes For Germany and the rest of Europe, the stakes in the election are high. Some five million Germans are out of work, the country's pensions system is in crisis, its public finances are overstretched and the economy that once drove growth in Europe is now acting as a drag on the rest of the continent.

Analysts say that if Germany succeeds in pushing through reforms, they could be a model for change in the rest of Europe. Surveys show that most Germans believe the system needs changing but they are deeply uncertain about how far the changes should go and how the burden should be shared.

Schroeder's own "Agenda 2010" reforms to welfare and labour market rules have been the most ambitious attempt to overhaul the social security system in decades. They have been attacked by the conservatives and by some commentators as not going far enough. The reforms were bitterly resented by voters. - Reuters


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To: William Creel
Part of me wants Merkel to win, part of me wants Schroeder to win, and watch Germany enter a recession so they learn why socialism doesn't work.

Don't worry. Merkel will not have a clear majority and if she tries to make too many reforms, she will be out in the next election. Germany will not change fast.

Ever try to wean a baby from breastfeeding?

121 posted on 09/18/2005 9:34:18 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (9-11 is your Peace Dividend)
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To: Erik Latranyi

You think so? I'm not so sure about that.


122 posted on 09/18/2005 9:36:03 AM PDT by Heartofsong83
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To: Michael81Dus

Hi Michael!
How are you? Hey is it true they want to up the sales tax to 18%? Last time I was home in Germany I almost died how much everything is in Euro (I remember the prices in Marks!) Tschussi und schoenen Sontag! MONI


123 posted on 09/18/2005 9:37:27 AM PDT by Mon
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To: William Creel
5 Million unemployed in a country of their size should be a good primer on Economics 101.
124 posted on 09/18/2005 9:41:56 AM PDT by .cnI redruM ( "Go ahead, punk, make my Earl Grey." - Mark Steyn)
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To: frankiep

"I cannot believe that the damn PDS communists are at 10%. What a joke! Germany is utterly hopeless."

We probably have as many in the US


125 posted on 09/18/2005 9:43:11 AM PDT by 1035rep
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To: Miss Marple

AP has reported based on exit polls Schroeder has lost.


126 posted on 09/18/2005 9:47:36 AM PDT by Dog ( We haven't forgotten you Commander Michael Speicher)
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To: 1035rep
We probably have as many in the US

But ours are diluted when compared, population wise.

127 posted on 09/18/2005 9:48:55 AM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: frankiep

This is a national tradegy for Germany, a communist party with around 8% is a great shock for us and those that wanted a strong german nation to support U.S. in the war against terrorism.

I believe this party was voted from "german" Muslims, Stalinists from the East, Punks, Nazis and Slackers.


128 posted on 09/18/2005 9:48:59 AM PDT by Kill Osama
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To: alessandrofiaschi

"DOWN GOES SCHROEDER! DOWN GOES SCHROEDER!"

129 posted on 09/18/2005 9:49:46 AM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Hate yourself? Hate everybody else, too? You'll be at home with the Democrats!)
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To: flieger; Michael81Dus; wolf78

I do not believe these exit poll results.

I followed this election since it was announced in May and I did not see ONE poll that ever had the CDU/CSU below 40% or one poll with the FDP over 9%.

I think one should wait for the actual results, no these exit polls since phone polls, taken as an average, prove to be far more accurate than exit polls.


130 posted on 09/18/2005 9:49:50 AM PDT by GOPGuide
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To: Dog
AP has reported based on exit polls Schroeder has lost.

Auf wiedersehen.

131 posted on 09/18/2005 9:51:23 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Erik Latranyi
Ever try to wean a baby from breastfeeding?

Yes. Weaning initially maybe gradual, but after a brief transition you end the party and don't go back.

132 posted on 09/18/2005 9:52:15 AM PDT by Maynerd
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

DOWN GOES SCHROEDER!
DOWN GOES SCHROEDER!
DOWN GOES SCHROEDER!

133 posted on 09/18/2005 9:52:42 AM PDT by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans.)
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To: Dog

OK, you're completely right. But stop now, pleeeeezze!


134 posted on 09/18/2005 9:52:45 AM PDT by alessandrofiaschi (Is Roberts really a conservative?)
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To: mewzilla

Merkel spoke not long ago. She acknowledges that the party came up short of goals, but she has every intention of forming the next government.

FDP leader says that his party will not take part in a "traffic light coalition" with the SPD & Greens.


135 posted on 09/18/2005 9:56:10 AM PDT by GiveEmDubya
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To: alessandrofiaschi
You ever hear the expression. "Like a dog with a bone?" :-)
136 posted on 09/18/2005 9:56:28 AM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: ChadGore

Just what I was thinking except it sounded more like "Schroduh."


137 posted on 09/18/2005 9:56:54 AM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: GOPGuide
I do not believe these exit poll results.

I'm a little skeptical myself - I remember zobby calls it for kerry!!!
138 posted on 09/18/2005 9:59:17 AM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: GiveEmDubya

So far, judging on the exit polls, it looks like despite absolutely massive unemployment and a crumbling economy that Germans basically want to keep things as they are. I'm speechless. I can't leave here soon enough.


139 posted on 09/18/2005 9:59:54 AM PDT by frankiep
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To: GiveEmDubya

I'm not that familiar with Merkel. Is she Schroeder light, politically speaking? Just slightly less left? Or is this a sign Germans actually wanted something different?


140 posted on 09/18/2005 10:00:42 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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