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A Few of FR's Finest....Every Day....09-14-05....Castillo de San Marcos - St. Augustine
Aquamarine; LadyX

Posted on 09/14/2005 4:43:35 AM PDT by Aquamarine

Edited on 09/14/2005 8:53:32 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]




The Castillo de San Marcos, built 1672-1695, served primarily as an outpost of the Spanish Empire, guarding St. Augustine, the first permanent European settlement in the continental United States and also protecting the sea route for treasure ships returning to Spain. It is the oldest major engineered structure existing in America.
To reach the Castillo de San Marcos you must drive through part of the city of Saint Augustine. Saint Augustine is in northeastern Florida near the Atlantic Ocean.
You drive on a small, narrow road with vehicles slowly going both ways. On one side of the road is water. On the other side is the city.
You pass businesses, eating places, stores and hotels. And then you see it, just as the road turns to the left. It looks like a hill of rock rising out of the ground. It seems fierce. And it looks very foreign. There can be no mistake about what it is. It is a very old military base -- the kind that is called a fort. It looks like it should be in some European country, not on the coast of Florida.
Passing through the huge walls of the fort is a little like walking back in time. Today we take you back into the past with a tour of the Fort and it's rich history.....



The First Spanish Period 1565 - 1763
Having sighted the land of La Florida in August 28, the feast day of Saint Augustine, Pedro Menendez de Aviles landed on the shore of what is today Matanzas Bay on September 8, 1565, and thus began the founding of the Presidio of San Agustín. The town was to serve very important functions for the Spanish Empire. It defended the primary trade route to Europe and the Bahama Channel (today called the Gulf Stream). It also served as Florida's territorial capital, defending against encroachment into the northern reaches of the Spanish Empire.
The Castillo was not the first fort built by the Spanish but was in fact the tenth, with the previous nine forts being built of wood. Following a pirate attack on St. Augustine in 1668, the Queen Regent Mariana made the commitment to have a masonry fortification built to defend the city and port. The founding of Charles Town (Charleston) in 1670 by the British less than two-day's sail from St. Augustine further emphasized the need for a stronger fort. Construction of the fortress that would become the Castillo de San Marcos was begun in October 1672.
For this new fort the engineers chose to use a local stone called "coquina" (Co-KEY-Na). The name means "little shells" and that is exactly what the stone is made of-- little shellfish that died long ago, and their shells have now become bonded together to form the rock, a type of limestone. The coquina rock was quarried from Anastasia Island across the bay from the Castillo, and after rough shaping had been done, was ferried across to the construction site.
In a work area that was located where the Castillo parking lot is today, the stone masons sent here by the Crown from Havana labored to produce the blocks for the construction. The mortar to bond the blocks to each other was made on the construction site by baking oyster shells in kilns until they fell apart to a fine white powder called lime. The lime was then mixed with sand and fresh water to produce the mortar that still holds the Castillo together today. After 23 years of work, the Castillo was declared completed in 1695.
The Castillo had its first test when British forces under Governor James Moore of Charles Town (Charleston), Carolina laid siege to the city in early November, 1702. At the start of the siege the people of St. Augustine crowded into the Castillo to take shelter. Over 1200 civilians and 300 soldiers of the city would remain within the walls for almost two months as the British troops occupied the town.
The British cannon had little effect upon the soft coquina walls which merely absorbed the shock of the hits with little damage. The siege was finally broken by the arrival of a relief fleet from Havana that trapped the British ships within St. Augustine's harbor and forced the British to burn their ships to prevent their capture by the Spanish. As they withdrew from the area, the British put the city to the torch just as their countryman Sir Francis Drake had when he burned the city in 1586.
After the 1702 Siege, it was decided to improve the Castillo and fortifications of the city of St. Augustine itself. Construction work was begun on a new interior for the Castillo in 1738. The interior rooms were pulled out into the courtyard to make them deeper, and vaulted arch ceilings replaced the wooden roof to make the rooms bombproof to better protect the supplies stored inside. These vaulted ceilings also made it possible to mount heavy garrison guns all around the perimeter of the gundeck rather than just in the corner bastions as in the original design. The construction of the vaults made it necessary to raise the walls of the fortress from their original 26-foot height to the present 33-foot height.
In addition to changes to the Castillo, the Spanish began building walls around the city itself to protect their homes and property from being destroyed yet again. The northern wall running from the Castillo to the San Sebastian River is called the Cubo Line. It defended the land approach to the city from the north. The wall that protected the city's west and south sides was called the Rosario Line. At intervals along their lengths both of these defensive lines had redoubts, small palisaded platforms on which two cannon were mounted. (One of these, the Santo Domingo Redoubt, has been reconstructed at the corner of Orange and Codova Streets.)
In 1740 General James Edward Oglethorpe laid siege to St. Augustine from the newly established English Colony (in disputed territory) of Georgia. He established a blockade of the city harbor after successfully taking the small outpost forts of Fort San Diego, Fort Picolotta, and Fort Mose. (Eventually, Fort Mose would be retaken by the Spanish.)
Oglethorpe placed troops and cannon batteries on Anastasia Island to fire on the city and the Castillo. He hoped that a sustained bombardment and blockade of St. Augustine would cause the Governor of Florida, Manuel de Montiano, to surrender the city and fortress to the British. The English guns fired on the Castillo, but were unable to breach the walls.
The Spanish were able to successfully send a shallow-draft vessel down the river and out the Matanzas Inlet to sail down the coast to Cuba for supplies. When they returned from Cuba, the one British ship that was supposed to be guarding the Matanzas Inlet was gone. So they were able to bring the supplies to St. Augustine unopposed.
With British morale low due to the broken blockade, the defeat of the British forces holding Fort Mose, and the onset of hurricane season, Oglethorpe was unable to organize an assault on the Castillo. With the dawn of the 38th day of the siege, the citizens of St. Augustine saw that the British had withdrawn from the area.
Over the years, the distinctive star-shaped fort and surrounding moat have served several countries.

The British Period 1763 - 1784
In 1763, Britain finally gained possession of St. Augustine and all of Florida, but not by taking St. Augustine. As a provision of the Treaty of Paris that ended the Seven Years War (The French and Indian War), Britain gained the Florida Territory in exchange for Havana and the Philippines, which the British had captured during the war. The British split Florida into an East Florida and a West Florida with St. Augustine the capital of East Florida and Pensacola the capital of West Florida. On July 21, 1763, the Spanish governor turned the Castillo over to the troops of King George III, and nearly all the Spanish citizens of the town moved to Cuba.
The British would make a number of small changes to the Castillo, including its name, which would now be Fort St. Mark. With the departure of the Spanish from Florida, the British felt no great need to maintain the Fort in first rate condition because they held the all of eastern North America. This outlook changed greatly with signs of rebellion being seen in the Thirteen Colonies to the north.
With the start of the American Revolution, St. Augustine enjoyed new importance as the capital of King George's loyal colony of East Florida. In early 1775, the changes in view of the Fort's new status could be seen. Repairs were made to the gates and the well, and housing in the Fort was increased by adding second floors in some of the rooms because it became regimental headquarters for the area. The British also improved the defenses of the city and its approaches. At this time, the old Spanish monastery on St. Francis Street was also turned into a barracks to house the influx of British soldiers. Today, this building is still in the hands of the military as the headquarters of the Florida National Guard.

Castillo de San Marcos Virtual Tour

As a foreshadowing of later activities, the Fort and St. Augustine also served as a prison for a few patriots who had been captured in Charleston, including Christopher Gadsen, the Lieutenant-governor of North Carolina, and three signers of the Declaration of Independence--Edward Rutledge, Thomas Hayward, and Charles Pinckney.
As the Revolution raged on, Spain came to the unofficial aid of the American colonies by sending money, weapons, medicine, and military supplies. When Spain declared war on Britain in 1779, Bernardo de Gálvez, the governor of Spanish Louisiana, immediately attacked and captured the British forts along the southern Mississippi River. Then he moved against Mobile in British West Florida and captured it as well. The next target was Pensacola, and in two months of heavy fighting, it too fell. By keeping the British occupied in the Gulf of Mexico, the Spanish kept the British from sending troops and supplies to support their efforts against the thirteen colonies, and thus they played an enormous part in the success of the Americans in their war for independence.
Bernardo de Gálvez was the only officer on any side in the Revolution who came out undefeated. The Battle of Pensacola was among the longest and hardest battles of the American Revolution. Yet, this remarkable general is relatively unknown. Only a statue in Washington, DC and one in New Orleans, and a city in Texas (Galveston) stand in tribute to this man who helped win the American Revolution.
At the end of the war, the Second Treaty of Paris returned Florida to Spain. On July 12, 1784, Spanish troops returned to St. Augustine.

The Second Spanish Period 1784 - 1821
With Spain's return to St. Augustine, the Fort had its name changed back to the Castillo de San Marcos. The Spanish soon discovered that Florida had changed markedly since 1763, however. Border problems of the past were now greatly increased by the fact that runaway slaves were coming into Florida to be welcomed by the Seminole Indians. Also, the population of Florida had changed. Few of the Spanish returned from Cuba, and many of the British who had homes and property from the British period stayed in Florida. Some of these were wealthy plantation owners, but many were ruffians and scoundrels who were now calling Florida their home base.
In spite of these challenges and coupled with unrest in her colonies in South America, Spain continued the reinforcement of the new defenses built by the British and the upkeep of the Castillo, including the rebuilding of the City Gates in 1808. Nevertheless, Spain's days in Florida were coming to an end. On July 10, 1821, after heavy pressure from the US Government and numerous other pressures on the Empire, Spain ceded Florida to the United States of America, ending 235 years of Spanish colonization.
The First American Period 1821 - 1861
On their arrival in St. Augustine, the Americans changed the name of the Spanish Castillo to Fort Marion, in honor of General Francis Marion, the "Swamp Fox" of Revolutionary War fame. However, structurally little of the fortification was changed. The old storerooms with their heavy doors and barred windows were converted to prison cells. In the 1840s, army engineers turned the east moat into a water battery, part of the American Coastal Defense System, and improved the glacis hill around the Fort.
During the Second Seminole War, Seminole Indians were jailed within the Fort, among them Osceola in 1837. Several of them managed to escape, but Osceola was not among them. Already in ill health, he was sent to Fort Moultrie in Charleston where he died in January 1838.

The Confederate Period 1861-1862
In 1845, Florida became a state in the Union, but would remain so only until December of 1860 when she joined other Southern states to form the Confederate States of America and entered the ensuing American Civil War.
The federal troops had been withdrawn from Fort Marion leaving only a solitary sergeant at the fort as caretaker. In January 1861 the Confederates marched into St. Augustine and demanded that the sergeant surrender the fort to them. He said that it was government property, and he would need to get a receipt for it. This was done, and Fort Marion was turned over to the Confederacy without a shot. Most of the artillery was then sent away to other Confederate forts leaving Fort Marion nearly defenseless.

The Second American Period 1862 - 1900
The Fort came back into Union hands on March 11, 1862 after the USS WABASH, a Union gunboat, took the city and Fort without firing a shot when it found that Confederate forces had evacuated the area and the local authorities were willing to surrender to preserve the town.
During this Second American Period, Fort Marion was mostly used as a military prison. In the 1870s seventy-four Indians from the Great Plains-- Kiowa, Cheyenne, Comanche, and Arapaho-- captured in the west during America's push toward her "Manifest Destiny", were imprisoned in Fort Marion for three years. Ten years later Apache were also captured and brought east. This time, most of the men, including Geronimo, were imprisoned at Fort Pickens in Pensacola, and the women and children were sent on to Fort Marion.
During the Spanish American War in 1898, almost 200 court-martialed deserters from the American Army were imprisoned within its walls. With the end of the 19th century, however, the Fort finally completed its long tour of duty. It was removed from the rolls of active bases in 1900, after serving under five flags over 205 years. Fort Marion was named a National Monument in 1924. In 1933 it was transferred from the War Department to the National Park Service, and in 1942, Congress restored the name "Castillo de San Marcos" in honor of its long Spanish heritage.









If I paused to name my Top Ten Places in a nomadic life, fascinating St. Augustine surely would be among them.
Choices would include ones full of extreme drama and grandeur like living in the area around Rapid City, South Dakota; 3 1/2 years in Fairbanks, Alaska; driving between the two through western Canada around the very top of the Rockies (throw in Calgary and Banff), including the length of the Alaska Highway and Yukon Territory (up in winter-back in summer).
Pure magic --







Primitive family camping in a tent camper in 1965, first above the Arctic Circle in Alaska, and then down to an overlook at Mile 88 on the Denali Highway by Mt. McKinley (before paving, and lacking *ANY* amenities-no lodging, restaurants, hotels, gas stations, and unlike today, could drive all the way to Mt. McK.), brought home the answer to Isaiah's query, "Who hath created these things?" Looking out over the UTTER VASTNESS of the scene far below, only God Almighty could have, and as I wept, the Holy Spirit blessed my acknowledgement.







Man-made big cities and hustle and bustle do not interest me, having lived in/seen many up and down the Eastern U.S. and Midwest; and while driving from Fairbanks down the Rockies (Denver, Dallas, Montgomery, etc.) to South Florida and up to South Carolina in one fell swoop.With a lifelong love of American History, I of course enjoyed my week in Washington, D.C., including a tour of Mt. Vernon, returning to D.C. by steamer on the Potomac. (Yes, Temple Owl, did the Smithsonian, but imagine they've added "a few things" since 1947..:)
Places that drew me most were the full lengths of the Rocky, Smoky and Blue Ridge Mountains, and exploring, discovering abandoned cabins and mines and towns, and realizing the hardships, loneliness, tenacity, and spirit of our early American settlers.
Living in South Carolina four other times including Charleston, its Historic Downtown is also high on the list. A forebear of mine arrived there in the 1680's, with a house on the river (shipping merchant, Charles Town surgeon, mayor and then Governor of Carolina) and Medway Plantation. My mother described to me as a teenager there ( her father a minister), the end of WWI and the town streaming to The Battery to celebrate! I've done the day long Spring Plantation Tour through several counties there, ending at Medway Plantation where "Papa Tom" is buried. (Once lived 6 miles from it.)
Born in Miami, I lived in Coral Gables until age 9 1/2; then Melbourne, returning there in early adulthood, and Port Malabar, Ft. Pierce, Panama City; and my grandmother lived in Orlando, so visited and shopped often there. In Coral Gables, everywhere was "Ponce de Leon" something, with its strong Spanish influence! However, I did not see St. Augustine until briefly at age 20, passing through. It was 1996 before my first stay there and love affair with it began, returning several times since to explore. ~ LadyX

St. Augustine: the Nations Oldest City also holds the distinction of being one of the nation's most charming. Known as the "Ancient City," Saint Augustine is located between North East and Central East Florida.


De Leon, Ponce
A History of Florida 1904
One of the sailors who sailed with Christopher Columbus on his second voyage to the New World was a man named Juan Ponce De Leon. This voyage would change his life.
He decided to stay in Hispaniola when Columbus returned. Ponce became very popular and was named governor of nearby Puerto Rico then called (Boriquien) in 1508.
While there, he heard many stories of a magical water source. People called it the "Fountain of Youth" and said that drinking its water kept you young. Ponce decided that he must find this water source.
For the next few years, he tried to find out where this "Fountain of Youth" was. He finally believed he knew where it was, and he asked permission from Spain's King Charles V to go in search of it. The king agreed, as long as Ponce agreed to pay for the ships and crew.
The young explorer did so readily, and they were off. It was March 1513. They sailed for Bimini.
They sailed for days but didn't see the island. On March 27, he came within sight of the Florida coast. "On April 2, he landed at what he named St. Augustine. This was the first Spanish settlement on the mainland of North America."
He had several adventures along the way, fighting off fierce native tribes and discovering some hidden riches. He did not, however, find the Fountain of Youth. In need of fresh ships and crew, he returned to Boriquien.
He continued to govern the island, and he continued to hear stories of the Fountain of Youth. Finally, in 1521, he set out again. He had gained permission to settle both Bimini, which he still hoped to find, and Florida, which he thought was an island.
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The narrator at the tour of the Fountain of Youth in 1997, at the north side of the City, said in recent years clearing the sand around the water spring, workers uncovered a large cross attributed to having been laid at the direction of Ponce de Leon, claiming the"island" for God and Spain.
This is a photograph of the Panorama on a stage in
the building housing the Fountain of Youth Spring.
It shows why Ponce de Leon,- an average European male being just 4' tall, caused by their poor nutrition, being greeted by the Seminole Chief -who was over 7' tall! Thus impressed, it is no wonder he believed the spring to truly be The Fountain of Youth.
The well nourished Indians had plenty of vegetables and fruits and meats, and their custom was for the Chief to marry the tallest single female in the tribe, gaining height with each generation."
Some of Ponce de Leon's sailors remained there when he first left, taking native Seminole women as wives; some of them migrated westward over to Tallahassee, where many Seminoles lived across there and up and down Florida.
It is this history that was highlighted in 1999 by Chuck Pierce, the respected Christian prophet! A year BEFORE the 2000 Presidential Election, he foresaw that Tallahassee - St. Augustine - West Palm Beach and Broward County would be the focus of it, and delay the results like a Presidential Election centered in those areas of Florida in the 1800's!!
That God BEGAN His Presence in America at St. Augustine and across to Tallahassee - and would use it to restore it !!
IT WAS HIS FOUNDATION IN AMERICA - -




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To: Aquamarine; LadyX

Bookmarking this thread for a refuge I have known and loved as a Floridian. What a fine tribute to such an endearing place as St. Augustine! Many thanks for sharing.


21 posted on 09/14/2005 8:08:14 AM PDT by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: Aquamarine
Great post! I visit my son who lives in Melbourne fairly often, I get off I-95 at St. Augustine--one of my favorite cities--and mosey down A1A the rest of the way. I always stop at the Castillo. It gets better each time.
22 posted on 09/14/2005 8:08:14 AM PDT by Temple Owl
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To: LadyX
I slept soundly for 7 1/2 hours, stirring briefly at 7 - a record for the past 2 years.

That's wonderful news! You must be feeling pretty good today.

Glad you like the pledge, the 2nd graphic is a painting of the lighthouse in St. Augustine that I modified just a little. :)

23 posted on 09/14/2005 8:17:21 AM PDT by Aquamarine
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To: FreeTheHostages; Aquamarine; All; Billie; Mama_Bear; dutchess; DollyCali; The Mayor; JohnHuang2; ...
"I wonder how many of the Indian prisoners survived when it was a prison."

That use of the prison at The Fort was another regrettable black mark on our nation's history, in my opinion.

I always felt the Native American Indians were tragic victims of our voracious appetite for land and growth.
We achieved "Euro West" - wide open spaces and waving fields of grain, steadily erasing one of their important food sources, buffalo herds; and coralling/slaughtering the tribes in our path who had long owned and roamed the lands.

The "we were only retaliating for the murder of our settlers" does not fly - the first scalp, it is said, was lifted by a white man, and they of course struck back; even if not so, they defended THEIR lands for all the right reasons.
WE were the interlopers and steadily encroaching and invading conquerors - not the Indians.

The Indians in New England welcomed the Pigrims and helped them - Manhattan was sold to them...fine.

But what about the "from sea to shining sea?" part that we justify?

While we love and enjoy the outcome, it came at a terrible cost to others; and we often still relagate them to Fourth Class Citizens status...

[Disclaimer - I do not have any Native American blood - just a passion for right and justice]

24 posted on 09/14/2005 8:17:25 AM PDT by LadyX ((( He Is The Lord, above all things )))
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To: Aquamarine; LadyX; The Mayor; DollyCali; ST.LOUIE1; dutchess; Mama_Bear; dansangel; Billie; ...
Beautiful..I'm coming back to really savor..St. Augustine.

Good morning to all the Finest.
25 posted on 09/14/2005 8:20:43 AM PDT by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: LadyX

OK Lady. Think we put that little skirmish to rest. lol


26 posted on 09/14/2005 8:21:58 AM PDT by Aquamarine
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To: LUV W
I'm so glad you enjoyed your few hours of flyby to this lovely step back in history, Luvvy!!

Figured out the wonderful French bakery on St. George Street I had so heartily endorsed must have closed and was replaced with another enterprise.
Realized the owner lady then was already elderly - time and changes march on, and she probably sold it.

[have never had anywhere such great Napoleans since then]

27 posted on 09/14/2005 8:24:26 AM PDT by LadyX ((( He Is The Lord, above all things )))
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To: LUV W
Did you see the bullet indention's on the walls while inside the fort? The place has seen alot of action and has really been shot up over the years. It's amazing.
28 posted on 09/14/2005 8:25:26 AM PDT by Aquamarine
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To: LadyX

I looked for it! :o(


29 posted on 09/14/2005 8:28:07 AM PDT by luvie (GOD BLESS AMERICA--AND GOD BLESS OUR MILITARY--WHO HAVE OUR BACKS!)
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To: Ohioan from Florida

Glad you stopped in to have a look at the opening Post. Thanks for the kudos it was an interesting Post to make and I learned alot more about the fort while working on it.


30 posted on 09/14/2005 8:29:04 AM PDT by Aquamarine
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To: Temple Owl
You are so fortunate to get to visit that area so often. Maybe the fort will have an even more special meaning on your next visit now that you know the extensive history behind it.
31 posted on 09/14/2005 8:32:28 AM PDT by Aquamarine
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To: GreenEggsNHam

St. Augustine ping.


32 posted on 09/14/2005 8:36:23 AM PDT by ericthecurdog (NOBODY puts BABY in the corner!!)
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To: LadyX

Your love of justice is just one of the many things that I admire about you.


33 posted on 09/14/2005 8:36:55 AM PDT by Aquamarine
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To: MEG33

Thanks MEG. Hope you get some uninterrupted time to spend on the Post today.


34 posted on 09/14/2005 8:39:02 AM PDT by Aquamarine
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To: LadyX; Aquamarine; Billie

I recall being fascinated as a child (growing up in NYC) when I learned that St. Augustine was our 'oldest city. I wanted to visit it! And I did fulfill that dream about 7 years ago.

Now your wonderful account of its history & beauty has inspired me to go again!

BRAVO BUMP.......for a beautiful & inspiring thread!


35 posted on 09/14/2005 8:39:32 AM PDT by JulieRNR21 (Jabbar Gibson for mayor of Newer Orleans)
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September 14, 2005

Anger Or Applause?

Read:
Jonah 3:10-4:11

Then God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God relented. —Jonah 3:10

Bible In One Year: Ezekiel 12-14

cover How do we react when God shows mercy to people we think deserve punishment? If we are resentful, it may indicate that we have forgotten how much the Lord has forgiven us.

After Jonah followed God's second call to preach His coming judgment on Nineveh (Jonah 3:1-4), the people of the city turned from their evil lifestyle, so the Lord did not destroy them (v.10). God's mercy made Jonah angry. He told God he had been afraid this would happen, and that's why he fled to Tarshish in the first place. "I know that You are a gracious and merciful God, . . . One who relents from doing harm" (4:2).

But the Lord said to Jonah, "Should I not pity Nineveh, that great city, in which are more than one hundred and twenty thousand persons?" (4:11).

God's marvelous grace is greater than all our sin. "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God" (Ephesians 2:8). Because of His grace to us, we should "be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave [us]" (4:32).

Instead of being angry when God is merciful, we should applaud. —David McCasland

What love the Father has bestowed on me!
For this I cannot help but thankful be;
I read His Word, His promises embrace,
And daily praise Him for His matchless grace. —Hess

We can stop showing mercy to others when Christ stops showing mercy to us.

FOR FURTHER STUDY
How Has God Loved Us?

36 posted on 09/14/2005 8:41:29 AM PDT by The Mayor ( Pray as if everything depends on God; work as if everything depends on you.)
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To: LadyX

"While we love and enjoy the outcome, it came at a terrible cost to others"

This is undeniably true. I was saddened, when I visited Yellowstone, to hear of the violence toward the Nez Pearce peoples of the region. They were completely cleared/slaughtered even from an area where men (1) couldn't farm -- too rocky, bad soil and (2) there was plenty of wildlife for all to share.

Sometimes it wasn't even land grab, that is. Sometimes it was just violence and racism.


37 posted on 09/14/2005 8:47:24 AM PDT by FreeTheHostages
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To: Aquamarine; Billie; Mama_Bear; dutchess; DollyCali; The Mayor; All
"OK Lady. Think we put that little skirmish to rest. lol"

I always have had great appreciation for the effort it takes to ready a thread.

It could be referred to as The Agony & The Ecstasy!
You laugh a lot - cry a lot - CONFER a LOT!!

Work on the snafus - boo boos - dumb errors -
and hope it all somehow straightens up and flies right..:))

38 posted on 09/14/2005 8:49:07 AM PDT by LadyX ((( He Is The Lord, above all things )))
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To: JulieRNR21

I have eaten at Seafood restaurants in St. Augustine but have never explored the old town. Was always drawn to the fort with other family members since it was the place that my mother's parents met in the early 1900's at a dance or musical event (not sure what event it was).


39 posted on 09/14/2005 8:51:31 AM PDT by Aquamarine
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To: Mrs Mayor; ST.LOUIE1; Aquamarine; Billie; dutchess; Mama_Bear; dansangel; deadhead; Diver Dave; ...

Things wreak of corruption and coverup, Lenny Roberto and I are putting together a lawsuit and complaint with the New York State Board of Elections.

There is NO reason all my precints have not reported yet.
#1, they could be witholding the numbers because in those numbers I am over the top and beat the endorsed candidate.

If I don't demand the numbers and concede they will leave them as is and my opponent will win.

This is how bad this county is and that is no lie or exaggeration. 3 of our other candidates have 80% of their ballots as paper and they refuse to count them till next week. A clear violation of NYState election law. They are and can be charged with a felony.

We filed a complaint with the Attorney Generals office and awaiting response from them, will they respond? Good question.

So we are taking this to the media, right now Lenny is being interviewed by channel 4 and will be on at noon.
He and I will be working on this, this afternoon.

BTW Lenny is the founder and I am the co-founder of http://www.PrimaryChallenge.org
We started the tax revolt in Erie County and they don't like it at all.


40 posted on 09/14/2005 8:52:19 AM PDT by The Mayor ( Pray as if everything depends on God; work as if everything depends on you.)
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