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In Europe, High-Tech Flood Control, With Nature's Help
NY Times ^ | September 6, 2005 | WILLIAM J. BROAD

Posted on 09/06/2005 7:47:33 PM PDT by neverdem

On a cold winter night in 1953, the Netherlands suffered a terrifying blow as old dikes and seawalls gave way during a violent storm.

Flooding killed nearly 2,000 people and forced the evacuation of 70,000 others. Icy waters turned villages and farm districts into lakes dotted with dead cows.

Ultimately, the waters destroyed more than 4,000 buildings.

Afterward, the Dutch - realizing that the disaster could have been much worse, since half the country, including Amsterdam and Rotterdam, lies below sea level - vowed never again.

After all, as Tjalle de Haan, a Dutch public works official, put it in an interview last week, "Here, if something goes wrong, 10 million people can be threatened."

So at a cost of some $8 billion over a quarter century, the nation erected a futuristic system of coastal defenses that is admired around the world today as one of the best barriers against the sea's fury - one that could withstand the kind of storm that happens only once in 10,000 years.

The Dutch case is one of many in which low-lying cities and countries with long histories of flooding have turned science, technology and raw determination into ways of forestalling disaster.

London has built floodgates on the Thames River. Venice is doing the same on the Adriatic.

Japan is erecting superlevees. Even Bangladesh has built concrete shelters on stilts as emergency havens for flood victims.

Experts in the United States say the foreign projects are worth studying for inspiration about how to rebuild New Orleans once the deadly waters of Hurricane Katrina recede into history.

"They have something to teach us," said George Z. Voyiadjis, head of civil and environmental engineering at Louisiana State University. "We should capitalize on them for building the future here."

Innovations are happening in the United States...

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Japan; News/Current Events; Technical; US: Louisiana; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: europe; hurricanekatrina; hurricanes; science; technology; tropicalstorms
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1 posted on 09/06/2005 7:47:41 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Europeans are better than us at everything! We suck! [/NYT message]


2 posted on 09/06/2005 7:52:01 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: ClearCase_guy
So at a cost of some $8 billion over a quarter century, the nation erected a futuristic system of coastal defenses that is admired around the world today as one of the best barriers against the sea's fury - one that could withstand the kind of storm that happens only once in 10,000 years.

Not smart to double dog dare Karl Rove.

3 posted on 09/06/2005 7:54:35 PM PDT by neodad (Rule Number 1: Be Armed)
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To: ClearCase_guy

meanwhile 7 year old future president GW Bush was playing with his Lincoln logs....


4 posted on 09/06/2005 7:56:02 PM PDT by aft_lizard (This space waiting for a post election epiphany it now is: Question Everything)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I wonder how long it took to rescue people after the 1953 dike break? Overnight, I bet -- it's Europe. They are better at everything.


5 posted on 09/06/2005 7:56:38 PM PDT by bboop (Refugees ... refugees ... refugees ... Come and get me, Jesse.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
The Dutch levees and seawalls did quite well in the Springflud. What they did not anticipate was that a very low pressure area could suck the North Sea so high and inundate Nederland so readily. The water went right over the barriers, and afterward, they held it firmly in place. It took years to pump it out.

This can happen again and the current system of barriers will not actually prevent it.

6 posted on 09/06/2005 7:56:56 PM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again?)
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To: ClearCase_guy

LOL ...and here I thought, mistakenly, that that was the purpose of the windmills. Was pumping out water EVER the purpose of the windmills, or were they just for grinding grain and looking quaint.

Guess I'm stuck in Hans Brinker Zone.


7 posted on 09/06/2005 7:58:43 PM PDT by madison10
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To: neverdem
withstand the kind of storm that happens only once in 10,000 years.

Just like the storm that happened 12,000 years ago?

8 posted on 09/06/2005 8:00:04 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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To: neverdem

North Sea storms pale in comparison to a CAT 4 Hurricane.


9 posted on 09/06/2005 8:00:14 PM PDT by LdSentinal
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To: neverdem

It never floods in west Texas either, well almost. Move NO there.


10 posted on 09/06/2005 8:02:41 PM PDT by SouthTexas
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To: ClearCase_guy

Bla bla bla.

Europe does not get Tornados like we do.

They don't have earthquakes like we do.

They don't have that many active volcanoes and especially don’t have any the size we do, like Helens, on Hawaii or elsewhere.

They don't get Tsunamis.

They don't get Hurricanes the size or power that we get. When did Northern Europe get it's last cat 5 Hurricane?

Germany as most of Northern Europe, doesn’t even have any "REAL" poisonous snakes, spiders, dangerous bears, panthers or mountain lions.

Here’s a little fact for the writers at the NYTs. In Alaska it gets really really cold! So cold that you can die! Even the temperature extremes in the US are greater.

Our rivers are wider and bigger.

Point is not that we are better. No, the point here is that if all you get is an occasional overflow of the Rhein, which you can predict weeks out, you don’t have a lot of natural disasters to really worry about. Besides an occasional flood that is predictable, slow to occur, and small in comparison is not like what happened in NO, Seward, SF, etc.

http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/eqlists/10maps_usa.html (Again, how many 9.2 earthquakes do they get in Europe?)

http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/content_pages/record.asp?recordid=58173 (How many 1 mile wide tornados?)

http://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/volcus/ (How many real active big volcanoes do they have?)

How about some of the biggest hurricanes/storms? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4739741.stm or http://www.livescience.com/forcesofnature/050804_waves.html

This is one competition we’d gladly loose to the Europeans. But if you look at where most these storms form and then the path they follow, you’d realize that we tend to get hard over and over and over. We have some severe weather patterns and our continent is very geologically active.

The Europeans don’t get a lot of the storm damage because they don’t get the storms we do. If 280 km/hr constant winds with gusts even higher blew over Germany or Holland, as is the case in a cat 5 hurricane, not much would be standing. Most of them are real proud and will surely use this occasion to make satements like "Well, they shouldn't build their houses out of toothpicks". But in reality, whether in WA and Mt St Helens or NO, their little brick houses would have blown away. A lot of this "advice" is garbage.

It would be nice to ask a Dutch engineer whether the Dikes in Holland would have withstood 100 foot (33 meter) waves pounding on them as was the case with Ivan.

Red6


11 posted on 09/06/2005 8:28:06 PM PDT by Red6
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To: LdSentinal

It probably also helped that our massive defense spending to protect Western Europe allowed the Dutch to spend on infrastructure instead of defense against the Soviets.


12 posted on 09/06/2005 9:02:10 PM PDT by takbodan (.)
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13 posted on 09/06/2005 9:08:10 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: LdSentinal

"North Sea storms pale in comparison to a CAT 4 Hurricane."

This is exactly right.

In the news in The Netherlands it was mentioned that Katrina was about 4 or 5 times as powerful as the worst storm that has ever hit this country. It is worth noting that the storm damaged area from Katrina is more than 6 times the area of the entire country of The Netherlands. It should be kept in mind that only a fraction of The Netherlands was flooded in 1953.

The house I'm living in at the moment was in the flood zone of 1953. I've seen photos of it with water three or four feet deep around it. Last night my wife suggested that we have an emergency plan. . .


14 posted on 09/06/2005 9:54:44 PM PDT by Cap Huff
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To: Red6

Thanks for the info. What a dreadful continent you live on! It's positively inhospitable. I suppose that's why your population density is so low :-)

Maybe you should move to Europe!

One point, though: Rhine overflows can't be predicted weeks out. Days perhaps, when the rain has been exceptional. But they've got the emergency measures to a fine art in the Rhine-bank towns.


15 posted on 09/07/2005 12:03:46 AM PDT by ukman
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To: neverdem
Gordon-Michael Scallion's Latest Future Maps

here's a strange guy who's always on Coast to Coast, and here's his vision:

http://www.matrixinstitute.com/futuremap.html

16 posted on 09/07/2005 5:04:49 AM PDT by bitt ('But once the shooting starts, a plan is just a guess in a party dress.' Michael Yon)
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To: Red6

You're right. European norm for street lighting only requires to withstand 150 km/h...

That's all we are expected to have reaaally from time to time.


17 posted on 09/07/2005 5:12:46 PM PDT by Spanishguy
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