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Modern humans, Neanderthals shared earth for 1,000 years
ABC NEWSonline ^ | Thursday, September 1, 2005. 3:29pm (AEST)

Posted on 09/02/2005 2:31:25 PM PDT by ckilmer

Last Update: Thursday, September 1, 2005. 3:29pm (AEST)
A reconstruction of the face of a young female Neanderthal.

A reconstruction of the face of a young female Neanderthal who lived about 35,000 years ago in France. (AFP)

Modern humans, Neanderthals shared earth for 1,000 years

New evidence has emerged that Neanderthals co-existed with anatomically modern humans for at least 1,000 years in central France.

The finding suggests Neanderthals came to a tragic and lingering end.

Few chapters in the rise of Homo sapiens, as modern mankind is known, have triggered as much debate as the fate of the Neanderthals.

Smaller and squatter than Homo sapiens but with larger brains, Neanderthals lived in Europe, parts of central Asia and the Middle East for about 170,000 years.

But vestiges of the Neanderthals stop about 28,000 to 30,000 years ago.

At that point, Homo sapiens, a smart, ascendant sub-species of humans originating in eastern Africa, became the undisputed masters of the planet.

So what happened to the Neanderthals?

One intriguing school of thought is that the Neanderthals did not suddenly disappear off the map but gradually melded in with Homo sapiens culturally and possibly sexually.

Interbreeding resulted, meaning that what we, today, supposedly carry some of the genetic legacy of the Neanderthals.

But a new study delivers a blow to this theory.

It shows that the two hominids did indeed co-exist for a long time but there is no evidence of any intermingling.

Indeed, it points to the likelihood that the Neanderthals petered out, their lineage expiring in starvation and Ice Age cold.

Paul Mellars, a professor of prehistory and human evolution at the University of Cambridge, and colleagues dated bone fossils preserved by French archaeologists who carefully excavated layers of soil at a site called 'la Grotte aux Fees' (the Fairy Grotto).

The cave, located at Chatelperron between the valleys of the Loire and Allier, is already famous as a former Neanderthal habitat.

But what makes the site especially interesting is that bone artefacts and flints bearing the typical hallmarks of prehistoric Homo sapiens were also found there.

Professor Mellars' team applied the modern tool of radiocarbon dating to get a precise idea of the age of the bone tools and compared those dates to the soil layers in which they were found and knowledge of the climate that prevailed at the time.

They found that Neanderthals lived in the cave between roughly 40,000 and 38,000 years ago, when the climate was, for the last Ice Age, relatively balmy.

Then came a sudden and prolonged cold snap, when the temperature dropped by as much as eight degrees Celsius and Homo sapiens - apparently migrating southwards in search of warmer climes - inhabited caves for about 1,000 to 1,500 years.

Thereafter, the climate slightly warmed again.

At that point, Homo sapiens moved out and the Neanderthals returned, staying for a period that went from about 36,500 years ago to 35,000 years ago.

After that, there is no more sign of them.

"This is the first categorical proof that Neanderthals and modern human beings did overlap in France for more than 1,000 years," Professor Mellars said.

He says it is also convincing evidence of the Neanderthals' vulnerability to climate change and of the rise of smarter, more adaptable rivals.

"People point out that Neanderthals were biologically better adapted to living in glacial conditions than modern humans, that they were built a bit like eskimos and were better anatomically at coping with cold conditions, whereas modern humans came in from Africa, where they evolved with bodies that were taller and thinner and did not conserve heat so well," he said.

"Yet the evidence is here that modern humans could cope with cold conditions better than the Neanderthals thanks to culture and technology, for instance with better clothing, better fire control and perhaps better shelters."

Professor Mellars says Neanderthals and Homo sapiens probably lived near each other for long periods.

But he says no evidence has been found of cultural interaction and DNA tests on samples taken from 1,000 Europeans have failed to find any evidence of Neanderthal genes.

In short, the indicators point to the likelihood that Homo sapiens crushed or ousted the Neanderthals in the fight to survive.

-AFP



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1 posted on 09/02/2005 2:31:27 PM PDT by ckilmer
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To: ckilmer

Hell, we're sharing the earth with Neanderthals right now. Just ask any Israeli.


2 posted on 09/02/2005 2:32:56 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Gentlemen may cry, "Peace! Peace!" -- but there is no peace. - Patrick Henry)
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To: ckilmer

As they are in New Orleans right this very moment.


3 posted on 09/02/2005 2:33:58 PM PDT by msnimje (TAKE CNN OFF YOUR REMOTE - THEY ARE THE ENEMY OF THE US)
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To: ckilmer
Modern humans, opportunistic looters shared earth for 1,000 years.
4 posted on 09/02/2005 2:34:35 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: ckilmer

This does not augure well for the evolution theory. We keep seeing new species appearing seemingly out of nowhere instead of one specie evolving into another...


5 posted on 09/02/2005 2:35:32 PM PDT by winner3000
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To: ckilmer
>New evidence has emerged that Neanderthals co-existed with anatomically modern humans for at least 1,000 years in central France


7 posted on 09/02/2005 2:36:50 PM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: PatrickHenry

Neanderthal ping!


8 posted on 09/02/2005 2:37:23 PM PDT by Vive ut Vivas
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To: ckilmer
The lack of Neanderthal DNA is in our mitochondia. This is not exactly definitive, as you can't use mtDNA to prove you're related to your own father. You get half your nuclear genes from your father, but all your mtDNA from your mother. If we ever got Neanderthal nuclear gene data, then we could tell for sure.
9 posted on 09/02/2005 2:39:02 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: theFIRMbss

Did you see the movie? (retitled "The 13th Horseman" starring Antonio Banderas)

What a premise: a "cultured, civilized, monotheistic" Muslim from Syria joins a band of "savage, barbaric, heathen" Vikings. LOL.

Antonio Banderas was really cool in that movie, though.


10 posted on 09/02/2005 2:41:53 PM PDT by Alouette (We will have unity when liberals love their unborn children more than they hate conservatives)
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To: blam

Ping.


12 posted on 09/02/2005 2:43:05 PM PDT by Lucy Lake
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To: Last Dakotan

I didn't know Robert Byrd was that old....


13 posted on 09/02/2005 2:44:06 PM PDT by aworldtrader
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To: winner3000
This does not augure well for the evolution theory. We keep seeing new species appearing seemingly out of nowhere instead of one specie evolving into another...

This is all just wrong. Nothing depends on humans being descended from Neanderthals. There is a minor question whether modern humans ever interbred with the cousin branch of Neanderthals, hardly the same thing.

And if you routinely see something called a new "specie" popping out from nowhere, you should stop drinking whatever you're drinking.

14 posted on 09/02/2005 2:44:17 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: winner3000
"This does not augure well for the evolution theory. We keep seeing new species appearing seemingly out of nowhere instead of one specie evolving into another..."

Neanderthal fossils were catalogued over 100 years ago. If you point is that because we did not evolve out of neanderthal then evolution is weakened, look at it this way. Canids (dogs, wolves etc) evolved from an earlier species but they did not necessarily evolve from one another linearly. Foxes and wolves may have been on separate branches but derived from the same roots. LIkewise Homo Sapiens and Homo Neanderthalis, although doubtless related, they could simply have evolved from separate branches. Another analogy would be that you and your 3rd cousins are related but don't share the same parents or grandparents.

15 posted on 09/02/2005 2:48:30 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: ckilmer

So what. There's a mad rush BACK TO THE ANCIENT PAST to live like knuckle dragging flea bags.

I hear it's fashionable again in New Orleans.

And, yes, in old Arafart's stomping grounds.


16 posted on 09/02/2005 2:49:32 PM PDT by Quix (GOD IS LOVE and full of mercy HE IS ALSO JUST & fiercely HOLY. Cultures choosing death shall have it)
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To: ckilmer
Seems to me he neanderthals had a get together last year in Boston... Image hosted by Photobucket.com
17 posted on 09/02/2005 2:52:49 PM PDT by guitarnick40 (When a liberal is in doubt, all they do is scream and shout racism.)
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To: Alouette

Wasn't it the 11th warrior?

Cool movie. The horses were the best!


18 posted on 09/02/2005 2:53:40 PM PDT by squarebarb
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To: ckilmer
Also known as the 1000 year war. Liberals just don't understand that we wiped out anything we saw as competition. War is the most powerful of all evolutionary forces and what made us what we are today. The truth sometimes hurts.
19 posted on 09/02/2005 2:56:25 PM PDT by John Jamieson (Hybrids are a highway around CAFE, that's all they're good for.)
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To: ckilmer

No cross breeding makes no sense. People today copulate with 4 legged animals. There had to be some cross over.


20 posted on 09/02/2005 3:03:14 PM PDT by Raycpa
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