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various FR links & stories | 09-02-05 | the heavy equipment guy

Posted on 09/02/2005 3:35:55 AM PDT by backhoe

 To view all related posts, use the "keyword database"--
 Katrina Live Thread, Part XIII
 Previous Threads:
Katrina Live Thread, Party XII
Katrina Live Thread, Part XI
Katrina Live Thread, Part X
Katrina Live Thread, Part IX
Hurricane Katrina Live Thread, Part VIII
Hurricane Katrina Live Thread, Part VII
Hurricane Katrina Live Thread, Part VI
Hurricane Katrina Live Thread, Part V
Hurricane Katrina, Live Thread, Part IV
Hurricane Katrina Live Thread, Part III
Katrina Live Thread, Part II
Hurricane Katrina Live Thread, Part I
And a special hattip to our own  NautiNurse  who started and maintained the above valuable posts--
First off, let's debunk and defang the myth, meme, shibboleth and current hot talking point that "It's ALL Bush's Fault"--
 I have heard many leftists say that Bush slashed $20 million from FEMA funds that would have been used to reinforce the levee system in New Orleans.
MSM: Take Note - Clinton's Contribution to the Katrina Disaster ( Must Read )
 The Federal Register ^
 People have been talking for years about what would happen should a hurricane this size hit that city, and I'd be willing to bet you there were lots of federal dollars passed from hand to hand over the years to prepare for this.
I will be astounded if some of those reporters don't ask the obvious questions: Where did the money go, why weren't officials prepared? It's not like it was a secret this could happen someday.
 Bill Clinton did not sign for the improvements & money requested by the Army Corp of Engineers & LA to make them. Source: 
Q.3. Why only Category 3 protection?
A.3. That is what we were authorized to do. [Answer by the Corps of Engineers]
 There are already the accusations that federal money was diverted away from improving NO's levee system for other purposes, likely the war.Yes, Sidney Blumenthal already planted that political urban press using the foreign press to launder out the Clinton fingerprints. The way to shoot it down is to explain that the fed money was there but because LA refused to put up any of the state matching funds that were required by law before the fed money could be spent. Since LA made it clear for several years that they weren't going to provide those matches and expected the feds to pay 100%, the money was diverted to other needs, of which there were many.
Critics Say Bush Undercut New Orleans Flood Control -- Hint to the Liberals --This is NOT a road you want to go down --Shall we open up the books to the BILLIONS of dollars that was sent to NO and what happened to it all?
 Even with full funding in recent years, none of the flood-control projects would have been completed in time to prevent the swamping of the city, as Democrats yesterday acknowledged.
What is worse, this danger was known about, and written about, and studied, for years:
 The Lost City of New Orleans? (Dec 2000)
 NASA Flooding Simulation
 2004 Amazingly Precise Prediction of New Orleans Disaster -- This was entirely predictable and inevitable to anyone who has followed the issue.
  Click on the thumbnail to open full picture in a new window.

This is a 1998 modelling of a CAT 4 or CAT 5 moving through New Orleans-- Here is what they predicted for flooding....

 Apocalypse Live (Description of a category 4 or 5 hurricane from three weeks ago)

 Gone with the Water -- Published last fall - eerie... 

 Drowning New Orleans -- Scientific American ^ | October 2001 |

 From Jeff Master's weather blog on
"I'd hate to be an Emergency Management official in New Orleans right now. Katrina is pretty much following the NHC forecast, and appears likely to pass VERY close to New Orleans. I'm surprised they haven't ordered an evacuation of the city yet. While the odds of a catastropic hit that would completely flood the city of New Orleans are probably 10%, that is way too high in my opinion to justify leaving the people in the city. -- posted on 08/27/2005 8:04:52 PM EDT

Here are the pictures:
  has the archives of both the cam and camera shots taken from just before the hurricane to today. (it takes quite a while to load unless you have wide broadband.)
Complete Aerial Picture Survey of Mississippi Coast Damage
...and here is contact information for those trying to get information:
 Food for the Hungry , is a good solid Christian relief organization with VERY LOW Administration cost. Approx 93% of contributions go to actual relief.
 Don't know if anyone has posted this yet, but here is a website for people to leave messages letting loved ones know they are OK or to post the names of people they are in search of: Katrina Check-In
In roughly reverse chronological order, here are the best links  I have culled since this story broke:
New Orleans in Anarchy With Fights, Rapes (Blanco gives shoot to kill order?) -- Wow!
When guns are outlawed, only the government and outlaws will have guns.
 Tourists Realize They're Afterthought, Band Together
 New Orleans radio system flooded -- "I'm absolutely astounded by the degree and pervasiveness of the incompetence and malfeasance at both the municipal as well as state goernment level in this disaster." -- if you've been watching the Governor,  the mayor and police chief  the past few days ...... to call them "incompetent" is an insult to incompetents.
 Instant Haiti.
 Water May Linger for Months (New Orleans, "Gone With the Wind?"
 Levee repair work has yet to begin (Another Levee Break - 700ft wide NOLA will take 3-6 mos to dry) -- Would the last person to swim out of NOLA please bring the flag?
 NOLAntis. The Lost City.

  Masques of Death (A sewer of applied liberalism, New Orleans was lawless long before this week.)

New Orleans in Anarchy With Fights, Rapes -- Politicizing a tragedy? No, teaching valuable lessons, if they dare.
 Ted Koppel blames Bush for failure to evacuate poor prior to the Katrina hitting New Orleans -- Dateline pretty much did the same thing. ABC has a Meme and it is the new strategy of the Left... use the disaster to crucify the President.
It is obscene.
The Katrina syndrome: What a hurricane can teach -- I didn't really enjoy the article until the end..when he compared how they everyone the warnings about levees and sea levels and hurricanes, etc., until disaster struck....and then it was too late.
And when he then compared that to the border issue, and how the signs are all there, but nobody in the government cares to do anything about it. And when they do, it will be too late.
 The Great Society our welfare System has Created.

 Gasoline Prices & Katrina

 Hurricanes, Hatred and Hypocrisy

Don't blame Katrina
 Ford blasts Bush’s handling of Hurricane Katrina -- The Governor of LA is supposed to be coordinating with FEMA, isn't she?
Yep. But she has vanished. She can't go on television without bawling like a baby, so her handlers are hiding her.
 You asked, "What in the world is wrong with the governor??"
She's so afraid of doing something wrong that she can't do anything right. You can see her "deer in the headlights" look on television. She's an incompetent political hack thrown into a nightmare situation and she's just frozen.
Rebuilding New Orleans doesn't make sense
 New Orleans, the Tragedy -- This is the article from which Rush quoted in the first hour of his show today.
 Shephard Smith "Grandstanding" in New Orleans, showing dead bodies on Fox News. -- "Personally, I don't think the networks should have 'saved us' from the horrors of 9-11 as they did. Perhaps if the reality of that situation had been known then people wouldn't have so easily forgotten."
Amen to that! I agree 100%! If they had show the real carnage, people would be supporting our troops now, instead of low-lifes like Cindy Sheehan.
 The global warming crowd says it's Bush's fault.

The Zionist Christians say it's Bush's fault.

The Islamist Jihadists say it's Bush's fault.

The Democrats say it's Bush's fault.

Millions of idiots can't be wrong.

 Thousands Feared Drowned in New Orleans -- I've never seen such poor planning and leadership in my life. the Mayor and Governor should be tarred & feathered. This is just inexcusable, unbelievable incompetence.

 Heart of America: Common People Doing Heroic Things

Thought-provoking opinion:
" In my opinion, the time for optimism has passed. New Orleans did not dodge a bullet, New Orleans suffered a worst case doomsday scenario. But this is far far bigger than New Orleans alone.
By my count, America has lost not one city, but nine of them. "
 Read this great rant from Pukin Dog then, no typing required --
 Storm may shut refineries for months -- Keep the EPA multiple gas blend suspension in force, suspend the federal & state gas taxes indefinitely, start importing from IRAQ, drill - drill - drill where the caribou roam & wherever else it is geologically promising, start building refineries & identical nuke plants (one thing the French have done right), start using our vast coal supply by building liquification/gasification plants.

 Turn Bases into Refineries part 2 -- This is a excellent idea, which will help the LONG term problem (just like building 10 new nuke power plants).
For SHORT term help, suspend taxes on gas for 90 days, suspend requirements for 40 different blends of gas for the nation, pass legislation to end lawsuits against MTBE's (which the enviro-weenies are responsible for in the first place), proclaim closed military bases as "refinery empowerment zones", where they will have a 100 year lease on the land, be shielded against environmental lawsuits, and not taxed for 10 years.

  Analysts see Katrina as `perfect storm' for already high energy prices -- We own all of the oil sitting underneath Iraq. Why aren't we pumping it for ourselves? Gas should be 50¢ a gallon. We also own tons of oil up in the arctic. To hell with the environmental wackos - start drilling!

Timeline as best as I can quickly reconstruct from the earlier Katrina threads (times are CDT) -
3,827 posted on 08/31/2005 2:12:02 AM EDT by steveegg
 Katrina Packing Wind of Nearly 175 Mph (Mayor irresponsible in evac delay) -- To: Howlin
For future reference, this repeated line by the mayor and governor that "We went to bed Friday night being told it was a Florida storm, and woke up Saturday to find us threatened" to excuse why they waited so long to start the evacuation plan is total bullshit. (excuse my French)

Friday 4pm NO time report from the NWS, warns of a significant shift west, Mississippi landfall (88.5 on the grid, NO is 90), and possible more movement expected (post #388):

By at least Friday 6pm computer models were converging on LA (post #478):

Turns out those computer models had been run at 2pm (post #526):

In fact some computer models run at 7am NO time Friday had predicted a NO hit(post #224):

So unless the gov and mayor went to bed Friday afternoon, they knew then that it likely was headed their way.
 I wonder if someone should start a tread for ideas on how we can all prepare ourselves for a disaster like this?  Go to the Threat Matrix threads. LOTS of information.
 Threat Matrix: Daily Terror Threat - Thread Twenty-Two
 Emergency Kit

Travel Pack --- BOB (Bug Out Bag)

(These items should be packed in portable "duffle bags" ready to go)

• 1-qt water per person
• Identification (copies of records/cd
• 2-"energy bars" per person
• Dehydrated food pack for one week dried fruit, vegetables, meat flour, oil, salt, pepper, spices vitamins, honey,peanut butter crackers, protein powder, powder milk
• Collapsible 5 ga. Water containers
• "Water washer" filter
• Lightweight cook kit large pot, dishes, spoons, forks knives, cups, non-stick skillet spatula, can opener, large spoon
• Towels
• 2-water proof nylon tarps
• Change of clothes for each person
• Coats,
• 1-thermal blanket
• 1-sleeping bag / person
• Matches, fire starter
• Compass, maps of areas of intended use
• 2-rechargeable/shakable flashlights
• 12v trouble light w/@cig. lighter plug
• First aid kit
• Toilet paper,
• Soap
• 1-pocket knife
• 1-fishing kit
• 1-large bowie knife (western cutlery) (perfectly weighted to serve as both fire knife and hatchet etc)
• 1-small portable mt. Climber's stove
• 1-back pack with frame
• Paper, pencil
• Signaling mirror
• 1-manual flashlight
• Whistle , portable cable saw
• Small bottle of bleach, insect repellent.
• Magnifying glass
• 100 ft. 1/2 dia. Goldline rope,
• 2 pulleys
• 50 ft. Nylon "shroudline" cord
• .22 caliber pistol w/ 500 rds. Ammo.

There are many, many variations of this Bug Out Bag. Some place more reliance on ‘defense’, property, records.

Seems one should prepare according to their own specific needs, location. Here's some info, left over from the Y2K 'scare' and survivalists
FYI …Google Search for Bug Out Bag = BOB

4,210 posted on 09/01/2005 1:37:35 PM EDT by Stand Watch Listen
 Discussion Thread - Hurricane Katrina - What Went Wrong?!?

TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: backhoe; frlibrarians; hurricanekatrina; katrina
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1 posted on 09/02/2005 3:35:57 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: backhoe

Thanks for this. Bookmarking for future reference.

2 posted on 09/02/2005 3:41:22 AM PDT by looney tune
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To: backhoe

Thank you backhoe.

3 posted on 09/02/2005 3:49:53 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: Cindy; looney tune
Thanks for stopping by-- here is a little more:

 Bottled-Up River Prevents Ships From Reaching Gulf (rail, truck, barge - diverting to new ports)
 Listen to Mayor Nagin of N.O. go *nuts* in New Orleans radio interview -- Sounds like the corruption of the government in the city is coming home to roost...  Nagin.mp3 ... He sounds like a complete idiot, all talking points with no solutions.
 Trying to survive, while others binge (police agencies in tatters)
 Hunger and rage (American city becomes a Third World nightmare) ... Little Somalia ... I watched some of the news yesterday for the first time as what stuck me was the HUGE difference in how the leadership and people of New York reponded to 911, and how the leadership and people of New Orleans responded to Katrina. New Yorkers were tough, determined, resolved, didn't loot, helped others, didn't complain, whine, sit around like helpless babies, expecting 'gubmint' to do everything...
 Weather Modification Advisory and Research Board - Bill S517 (Too late for Katrina)
 Nothing's Easy for New Orleans Flood Control
 QUICK LOOK REPORT: Gasoline Delivery System

I suppose I should add this, since it is related:

Sticker Shock-$3 a gallon gas? Click the picture:

4 posted on 09/02/2005 4:01:53 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: backhoe

Thank you for your dedication to archiving this. The timeline is particularly valuable.

5 posted on 09/02/2005 4:06:03 AM PDT by Peach (South Carolina is praying for our Gulf coast citizens.)
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To: backhoe

Excellent backhoe! Thank you. :)

6 posted on 09/02/2005 4:06:24 AM PDT by Ros42
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To: backhoe

Ugh! I paid $3.01 yesterday. Took $40 to fill my tank.

7 posted on 09/02/2005 4:15:36 AM PDT by looney tune
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To: Peach; Ros42

Appreciate the kind words- thanks for stopping by.

8 posted on 09/02/2005 4:17:17 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: looney tune
Ugh! I paid $3.01 yesterday. Took $40 to fill my tank.

I know what you mean-- my truck, and Mrs. B's little buzz bomb needed gas yesterday, and I thought I was going to have to go down to the bank and take out a loan to pay for it. At least I was able to get gas-- the day before that stupid "gas panic" hit Georgia, and there were lines, standing room only, and angry drivers everywhere.

A sign in Atlanta:

9 posted on 09/02/2005 4:22:35 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: All
 Government Saw Flood Risk but Not Levee Failure

10 posted on 09/02/2005 4:28:51 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: backhoe

Did you check out the first two links in your post? The Federal Register refered to is -

[Federal Register: June 23, 1998 (Volume 63, Number 120)]
[Page 34151-34153]
From the Federal Register Online via GPO Access []

"Intent To Prepare a Draft Environmental Impact Statement (DEIS) for the West Shore--Lake Pontchartrain, Louisiana, Hurricane Protection Feasibility Study"

How does this as a "matter of fact" reflect on Clinton?

11 posted on 09/02/2005 5:48:58 AM PDT by Smartaleck
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To: Smartaleck

What's strange is "The Federal Register ^" link takes me to a blank page-- it was there last night.

12 posted on 09/02/2005 8:50:53 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: backhoe

What's strange is "The Federal Register ^" link takes me to a blank page-- it was there last night."

Try this
EPA: Federal Register: Intent To Prepare a Draft Environmental ...
... 1998 (Volume 63, Number 120)] [Notices] [Page 34151-34153] From the Federal
Register Online via GPO Access [] ****[DOCID:fr23jn98-32]**** ...

13 posted on 09/02/2005 10:01:36 AM PDT by Smartaleck
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To: Smartaleck

Thanks, that's even stranger- the document I saw early this morning was a stullifyingly huge black & white page with no graphics and TT ( typewriter ) font.

14 posted on 09/02/2005 10:56:08 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: Peach

 Check out evacuation instructions from NOLA website


15 posted on 09/02/2005 10:56:45 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: backhoe

Thank you so much, backhoe.

16 posted on 09/02/2005 11:05:58 AM PDT by Peach (South Carolina is praying for our Gulf coast citizens.)
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To: All
 Hurricane Katrina: Who's to Blame?
 National Hurricane Center predicted New Orleans in trouble Friday before storm. Where was the Mayor? -- People get the government they deserve. Citizens of NO - this is what happens when you vote gangsters into office.
 A national disgrace -- "At all levels, government is overbearing and nagging, paying for people's prescription drugs and telling us whether we can smoke in restaurants or not. But when it comes to its most elemental task of maintaining order and protecting property, it might not be up to the task when it is needed most.""Keep that in mind and buy a gun, just in case."
 The Doomed Cities
 The State and the Flood
 If You Ain't Been to Heaven Then You Ain't Been There
 Mess on the Mississippi -- the surrounding nub of land around the last 20 miles of the rivers, known colloquially as the "crow's foot," was decimated by the storm.
 An Unnatural Disaster: A Hurricane Exposes the Man-Made Disaster of the Welfare State -- "There were many decent, innocent people trapped in New Orleans when the deluge hit--but they were trapped alongside large numbers of people from two groups: criminals--and wards of the welfare state, people selected, over decades, for their lack of initiative and self-induced helplessness. The welfare wards were a mass of sheep--on whom the incompetent administration of New Orleans unleashed a pack of wolves."
 A Colossal Failure of Leadership (Leftist hate alert) -- President Bush has stepped into the breach after the failure of the democRAT mayor of N.O. and the democRAT governor of LA.
 New Orleans refugees bitter after Katrina ordeal -- "This is a prime example of what happens when a country has generation after generation after generation of people on welfare. Its not "how can I help myself or my family" its "what is the government going to give me and when will I get it?" mentality."
 Experts: Global Warming Didn't Cause Katrina

 (using buses) Galveston creates evacuation plan --- WHY DIDN'T NEW ORLEANS OFFICIALS DO THIS?


 Mayor Nagin - Drug Addicts Have Taken Over New Orleans -- He and the dim bulb governor will be forever known as the two boobs that destroyed New Orleans, and ten's of thousands of lives along with it. -- Mayor Nagin Curses Gov. Blanco, Pres. Bush -- When you give fools the right to vote --- they elect idiots.

 Cause of the Disaster: The People of New Orleans

 Note the real title for the article: Bush budget not expected to diminish New Orleans district's $65M -- FLASHBACK: Bush refused to fund New Orleans flood and hurricane protection last February

 10 ways you can help disaster victims

 Katrina Refugee: I could never have imagined this!

 FEMA’s Plan for Mass Destruction Attacks: Of Course It’s True

 WHY DIDN'T YOU DEPLOY THE BUSES, MAYOR?... New Orleans Lost Opportunity 


 Air America caller from N.O. blasts N.O. mayor and Governor (Caller was Julia Reed) -- "Desperate people" replied Maddow -- No, "lawbreakers," said Reed.  Reed referred to Nagin's "send greyhound buses" speech as "ridiculous political posturing... hardly what I'd call leadership'
She says that Nagin has lost control of the city, and Blanco has lost control of the state

17 posted on 09/02/2005 1:30:01 PM PDT by backhoe
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To: backhoe

Excellent post. Thanks.

18 posted on 09/02/2005 1:31:08 PM PDT by Born Conservative ("If not us, who? And if not now, when? - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Born Conservative; All
Thanks for looking- here's a little more:

 1 YEAR AGO "Ivan exposes flaws in N.O.'s disaster plans" Mayor & Gov. fail to learn lesson
 Katrina Live Thread, Part XIV
 "It took four days for FEMA to get its first people into South Florida after Andrew"
 They saw it coming(no blame but its Bushs fault)
 Katrina Takes Aim -- I had forgotten that a state of emergency was called BEFORE THE STORM EVEN HIT
 It was Bush that asked the Gov and Mayor to order a mandatory evacuation, NOT their idea at all.
 "The Begining of Our Nightmare" -- Personal Account from New Orleans **It's worse than you think!** -- The email-writer easily saw what MSM seems to be missing--the mayor, governor, and Sen. Landrieu need to go, and quickly. I wasn't aware they were standing in the way of aid, but if true, it wouldn't surprise me.
 Mark Steyn on Hugh Hewitt Re: Hurricane Katrina -- Robert Kaplan, when he talks about what's happened in failed West African states, calls it the re-primitivation of man. And that's actually what we're seeing in New Orleans.  It's the best commercial for owning a gun I've ever seen.
 Republicans Ask Guiliani to guide Relief effort -- Finally. I can't take many more appearances by Ms. Governor or Mayor Hate-Whitey or Senator Ima Bitch-Landrieu.
These clowns need to be sent packing and someone who is effective needs to take charge
 Canoe and a gun get duo to safety (escape from NO) -- Earlier today, a man came up to me. I think he wanted the canoe. He saw I was armed and gave up.
 Second Amendment. Learn it, live it, love it.
 Project 21 Responds to Black Caucus Criticism of Hurricane Katrina Relief Efforts
 This all falls on the Governor, Not the Mayor or The President
 Breaks in the Levee Logic

19 posted on 09/02/2005 3:58:59 PM PDT by backhoe ("The Drowned World" John Brunner)
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 It's finally hit.."Why didn't you deploy the buses, Mr. Mayor??"
 Bush Admits Katrina Response 'Not Enough' -- God DA** them. The AP is OUT RIGHT LYING. He did NOT say ANY of this. HE has NO such authority. The STATE GOV has to send in the Guard HE CANNOT.
 UNBELIEVABLE! CNN's Cafferty suggesting that Bush withheld hurricane aid to get a photo-op!
 Governors Guide to Emergency Management
 Many More Hurricanes to Come
 Live survival blog in New Orleans
 Guardsmen Greeted With Applause, Anger - "The cavalry is and will continue to arrive"

20 posted on 09/02/2005 4:50:27 PM PDT by backhoe ("The Drowned World" John Brunner)
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