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Hurricane Katrina Live Thread, Part VIII
NOAA - NHC ^ | 29 August 2005 | NOAA - NHC

Posted on 08/29/2005 2:47:45 AM PDT by NautiNurse

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To: WoodstockCat
Just spoke to my Father-in-law in Lamar Co., Oak Grove outside Hattiesburg, he has trees down everywhere in the yard a couple narrowly missed the house. He went through Fredrick but said this was the worst ever in that area.

Thanks for the info.

I saw earlier on FNC a blob of activity that was surrounding Hattiesburg, but I don't believe Katrina had even gotten there yet.

I'll definitely have my dad check on his sisters tonight (he's the baby of the family - lol (actually I'm tearing up)). One aunt has a kid and family in TN, but I'm not sure if they're out of the woods.

FNC is fairly general on the storm, and I'm in UT.

Thanks again.

3,981 posted on 08/29/2005 1:15:05 PM PDT by easonc52
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To: lysie

Look at the work Spiff has done! Isn't it wonderful?


3,982 posted on 08/29/2005 1:15:16 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: silentknight

The Red Cross lied about the donations they collected "for 9/11 victims". They were spending much of it on their "general purposes" until Congress ordered them to use all the money they had collected by appealing for help for 9/11 victims, directly to those victims. That was the last time I'll ever give to the Red Cross. There are plenty of honest charities out there.


3,983 posted on 08/29/2005 1:16:16 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: fooman

The other question is how much did the cyclic timing of eyewall replacement as it related to landfall have to do with the fact that the storm dropped in intensity? If the storm had been "off-cycle" by three or four hours and not yet ready to replace eyewall, would it have remained a "5"?

The key for meteorologists is to understand, as well as they can, what caused the erosion from a "5" to a "4"? The same thing with the jog east.


3,984 posted on 08/29/2005 1:16:33 PM PDT by RobFromGa (Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran-- what are we waiting for?)
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To: Palladin
I didn't much care for Javert either, but the book explains his motivation better than the musical did.

Interestingly, the old B&W movie w/ Charles Laughton highlights his motivation - that he was the offspring of a gypsy and a convict, and his self respect and self image are completely bound up in the absolute enforcement of the letter of the law - justice without mercy.

Of course, in a natural disaster, justice w/o mercy is probably what's needed, at least in the first few days. It's too hard, especially in the absence of enough effective law enforcement, to tell the "scavengers" from the "looters". Better to get to the shelter and get a couple of MREs than get shot hooking a couple jars of peanut butter out of somebody's general store.

3,986 posted on 08/29/2005 1:16:43 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: Howlin

It IS impressive.


3,987 posted on 08/29/2005 1:16:45 PM PDT by bwteim (Begin With The End In Mind)
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To: MrsCinAZ

That'll buff right out, I'm sure....


3,988 posted on 08/29/2005 1:16:45 PM PDT by ContemptofCourt
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

Thanks, trying to figure out if family's home is completely flooded.


3,989 posted on 08/29/2005 1:17:01 PM PDT by hoosiermama (prayers for all)
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To: owl37
"If it were possible I'd reach into my tv screen and throttle the next reporter that says something along the lines of "looks like things didn't turn out so bad after all."

Folks have no idea what is before them, it won't be for another day or two before the extent of the damage is shown. It's just beginning.

3,990 posted on 08/29/2005 1:17:18 PM PDT by chuknospam
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To: Gondring
Perhaps you should ask Jesus of Nazareth, who could have saved His life but felt it would have been wrong.

Isn't Jesus a special case? Really, now.

Some things are more precious than life, including ideals. Is violating the Commandment "Thou Shalt Not Steal" lesser in precendence than saving a life?

Rights are useless without life. I believe the very definition of an "idealogue" is someone who believes his ideals and principles are more valuable than an actual human life expiring in front of him.

Maybe you would let someone die rather than "steal" medicine for them during an emergency, but I would not.

Just for hoots...what would you say if two people in the pharmacist's family died because those medicines used to save the other person were not available? Was it wrong then?

Well, in my scenario, the pharmacist and his family were not on the premises. We can discuss how to ration supplies during an emergency, but I think a basic element of any scheme would have to admit that people actually present have a higher claim on emergency medicines than those theorhetically in need at a future time who aren't even here. The life dying here right now takes precednce.

SD

3,991 posted on 08/29/2005 1:17:32 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: oceanview

Those were the assumptions that I saw going into those models in the first place, so I don't see why they need to be reworked--this storm didn't follow those assumptions and seemed to behave just as predicted for its path.


3,992 posted on 08/29/2005 1:17:37 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Johnny Crab; 2nd Amendment; All
Here is another site to check for updates. They will post local storm reports, and local weather statements as they come in from LEO. Wunderground.com

That link takes you directly to Mandeville. At the top of the page, just fill in the city, state, or zip code for another location.

3,993 posted on 08/29/2005 1:17:47 PM PDT by NautiNurse ("I'd rather see someone go to work for a Republican campaign than sit on their butt."--Howard Dean)
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To: Darth Gill
He demonstrated to the world His power and amazing glory today!

I think a few of the dead and their families might question his "glory" today...dont bother responding I am not going further off topic...

3,994 posted on 08/29/2005 1:18:15 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: All

Debris from a fallen building covers several cars in downtown New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina battered the Louisiana Coast on Monday, Aug. 29, 2005.

3,995 posted on 08/29/2005 1:18:16 PM PDT by Smogger
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To: CodeToad

I'm just making a point.


3,996 posted on 08/29/2005 1:18:19 PM PDT by ClancyJ (Life is a God-given inalienable right to all Americans - not just the chosen ones.)
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To: oceanview

My larger point in this, is that I am not sure the models note the compartmentalizatio of the levee system and how cost/benefit improvements could be made.

I also think people should be let home, with the usual be safe warnings (dont touch power lines)


3,997 posted on 08/29/2005 1:18:19 PM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: NautiNurse

Any chance you could start a thread IX?

Reading reports from anonymous posters on the forums of local media websites:

Most of East NO is under water(5 to 12ft).

Harvey/Gretna areas (I believe directly Southeast of the Superdome and Canal St.) are flooding due to pump failure(~5 feet).

Gran Isle has been cut in two.

Here's some anonymous reports from http://www.wwltv.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=1&sid=37d65c376f671954c2fb00658b13c1f6

PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 12:53 pm Post subject: Lakeview-Looking Bleak Reply with quote
Just heard from my dad in Lakeview. He is on Colbert Street, South of Harrison. All the cars are covered and there is about two feet of water in our house (and we are three feet elevated). He is in the attic right now with an axe, two dogs, a cat, and two birds. Our other two birds have already died. Please pray that the water stops rising. I heard the 17th street canal has been breeched.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 12:55 pm Post subject: Lakeview Reply with quote
Perhaps not surprisingly, I was watching Baton Rouge TV and listening to BR radio. Area around Plantation Coffee House is flooded (what's new?) Areas on I-10 near Metarie Road underpass is hugely flooded. A lot of vets near Transcontinental is flooded.

Not sure near my house.
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3,998 posted on 08/29/2005 1:18:23 PM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: Hildy

Storms can surely be frightening. I forget Onyx would have been near the storm....glad she checked in.


3,999 posted on 08/29/2005 1:18:58 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: lysie

$26 billion damage estimate

- US Insurance Companies


4,000 posted on 08/29/2005 1:19:26 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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