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Katrina Packing Wind of Nearly 175 Mph (Mayor irresponsible in evac delay)
BC ^ | August 28, 2005 | Mary Foster

Posted on 08/28/2005 3:53:54 PM PDT by BJungNan

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To: Tax Government

Thats what they do here in South Carolina. During an evacuation, both lanes of I-26 from Charleston carry traffic north, all the way to Columbia. I think this started after Hugo.


61 posted on 08/28/2005 4:39:26 PM PDT by neal1960 (This space for rent.)
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To: Casekirchen
I don't have a direct answer to your question, but I did find this bit of background information:
Old River Control

One of the most important modifications to the project was made in 1954 when Congress authorized the feature for the control of flow at Old River to prevent the capture of the Mississippi by the Atchafalaya River.

The first two features completed were the low-sill and overbank structures, the former to pass low and medium flows from the Mississippi to the Atchafalaya River in a controlled manner, and the latter to pass flood flows to the Atchafalaya in conformance with the flood control plan. Inflow and outflow channels were constructed connecting the low-sill structure with the Mississippi and Red-Atchafalaya rivers. A third facility -- called the Auxillary Structure -- was placed in service late in 1986.

As the closure of Old River would cut off an important shallow-draft navigation artery, a navigation lock was constructed just south of the junction of the Old and Mississippi rivers. This navigation lock is one of the most modern in the nation's inland waterway system. Channels were dredged connecting the lock to the Mississippi and Old rivers, and this feature was opened to navigation in 1963.

3/4 down this page: www.mvn.usace.army.mil/pao/bro/misstrib.htm

Large map.

62 posted on 08/28/2005 4:40:25 PM PDT by _Jim (Listening 28.400 MHz USB most every day now ...)
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To: Lokibob

All the "plans" say 72 hours.

I would have at LEAST started talking about it before yesterday afternoon.

In fact, they could have held a big old press conference at ANY of these times:

To: Howlin
For future reference, this repeated line by the mayor and governor that "We went to bed Friday night being told it was a Florida storm, and woke up Saturday to find us threatened" to excuse why they waited so long to start the evacuation plan is total bullshit. (excuse my French)

Friday 4pm NO time report from the NWS, warns of a significant shift west, Mississippi landfall (88.5 on the grid, NO is 90), and possible more movement expected (post #388):

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1471043/posts?page=388#388


By at least Friday 6pm computer models were converging on LA (post #478):

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1471043/posts?page=478#478


Turns out those computer models had been run at 2pm (post #526):

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1471043/posts?page=526#526


In fact some computer models run at 7am NO time Friday had predicted a NO hit(post #224):

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1471043/posts?page=224#224

So unless the gov and mayor went to bed Friday afternoon, they knew then that it likely was headed their way.


But wait, lookee here, Blanco declares a state of emergency about 8pm Friday night. Why do that if they were told it was going to be a Florida hurricane? (post #585)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1471043/posts?page=585#585



2,374 posted on 08/28/2005 5:30:44 PM EDT by Diddle E. Squat


63 posted on 08/28/2005 4:41:39 PM PDT by Howlin (She's here!)
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To: muawiyah
In fact, the folks doing the forcible evacuation carry forms with them for resisters to sign absolving the government of any responsibility should they not actually leae the area.

Do you think we don't have those up here?

Please; if the mayor of a town doesn't have CONTROL over his town, he's useless.

64 posted on 08/28/2005 4:42:48 PM PDT by Howlin (She's here!)
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To: BJungNan

A once in a lifetime event that could happen again in two weeks.


65 posted on 08/28/2005 4:45:41 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN - 3rd Bn. Fifth Marines RVN 1969)
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To: Lokibob

Thanks for the link. It shows that at 11am eastern Friday the predicted track was for east of Pensacola, but the 5pm track had shifted far to the west, to Pascagoula, MS. That's just 90 miles east of New Orleans, and in their bulletin they mentioned that it could shift further west. That was at 4pm NO time on Friday.


66 posted on 08/28/2005 4:48:18 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: BJungNan
Why did Mayor Ray Nagin wait so long.

Without reading any of the posts so far, here is the answer as it was stated on Foxnews early this morning. I was absolutely flabbergasted by the reason! Here it is: The mayor of New Orleans does not or did not have the power to demand the emergency and immediate evacuation. It had to come from a higher power. I guess it had to come from the governor. What idiocy! Pray for the folks in New Orleans and the gulf coast states.

67 posted on 08/28/2005 4:54:28 PM PDT by Road Warrior ‘04 (Kill 'em til they're dead! Then, kill 'em again!)
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To: cynblogger

Keep staring at it till you see the nipple pop out at you.

;-)


68 posted on 08/28/2005 4:54:45 PM PDT by savedbygrace ("No Monday morning quarterback has ever led a team to victory" GW Bush)
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To: Engine82
Pastor Larry Wood's site biblenews1.com has some interesting teaching. He gets some of his teaching from a now deceased Pastor that still has a following around the country. I looked up some info on the ministry but found them to be a somewhat controlling and eccentric group of Christians. Unfortunately at this time I do not remember the name of the Pastor that Larry Woods' schooled under. I'm not sure what I make of their teaching perspective exactly but I check out Biblenews1 once in a while to get his critiquing of major news events to see what he has to say and than I give it to the Lord. You, spotting the picture in the eye of the hurricane reminded me of his site which is as follows, enter using discretion, : http://www.biblenews1.com/history5/20050825katrina.htm#katrina
69 posted on 08/28/2005 4:58:13 PM PDT by Bittersweetmd ((But, for the grace of God there go I .))
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To: BJungNan
Before opening the inbound expressway lanes for outbound traffic, why didn't they use the lanes to bus people out? If they had used every city bus and school bus in New Orleans they could have moved a hellofalot of people in a short amount of time.

I realize that most people with cars would rather evacuate with their own cars packed with their belongings (even if it means being stuck for 12 hours in a 5 mph traffic jam), but there are thousands of people (including tourists) that are now trapped in New Orleans with no way to get out.

70 posted on 08/28/2005 5:07:11 PM PDT by kennedy ("Why would I listen to losers?")
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To: Casekirchen

Choctaw language meaning "Long River". For the volume of water it carries, it is one of the shortest rivers in the world. As the largest outlet of the Mississippi, from 30 to 50 per cent of the water flowing down the Mississippi is diverted into the Atchafalaya.

The Atchafalaya is controlled by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers. This control is accomplished by movable structures at the river's head and a series of levees running roughly parallel with the center channel of the river.

The minimum distance between the east and west protection levees is about 15 miles. On an annual basis the water elevation between these levees can change as much as 15 feet. The area within these confines is know as the Spillway or the Basin. It is in fact America's greatest river basin swamp, a magnificent wilderness, home to abundant wildlife, oil fields, endangered species, superb recreational and commercial fishing, trapping, and hunting. It is also the home of controversy, politics, and legal disputes.


71 posted on 08/28/2005 5:07:25 PM PDT by BJungNan
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To: Casekirchen

Following the disastrous flood of 1927, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers began to develop the Basin as a diversion route for high water headed for Baton Rouge and New Orleans.


72 posted on 08/28/2005 5:08:17 PM PDT by BJungNan
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To: Lokibob
Where have you been?

In the desert and not in the path of a hurricane thankfully.

73 posted on 08/28/2005 5:12:01 PM PDT by BJungNan
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To: SkyPilot
MSNBC reported it wasn't mandatory until this morning.

Thank you. I think that is what FoxNews said also. I did not think I had this wrong. It may not be exactly 12 hours - but with a 24 hour traffic jam what is the difference.

74 posted on 08/28/2005 5:14:00 PM PDT by BJungNan
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To: Tax Government

They started doing that yesterday.


75 posted on 08/28/2005 5:16:51 PM PDT by Jedidah
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To: Lokibob

Mandatory evac from Nagin was this morning.


76 posted on 08/28/2005 5:17:02 PM PDT by wardaddy (dixie deadhead)
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To: SkyPilot

Montell?


77 posted on 08/28/2005 5:17:51 PM PDT by wardaddy (dixie deadhead)
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To: Rebelbase

I thought I saw it before you labeled the parts. Now it just looks like a close up of a mole or something.


78 posted on 08/28/2005 5:19:08 PM PDT by BJungNan
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To: Lokibob

The mayor spent yesterday suggesting that people evacuate but resisting a mandatory order because he said he needed to consult his lawyers. He finally called for mandatory evacuation Sunday morning, under pressure.

Idiot. Just a figurehead, not a leader.


79 posted on 08/28/2005 5:20:48 PM PDT by Jedidah
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To: Howlin

My dear dem mother asked me today why the President did not send the National Guard in with buses to get people out of there. Already, it's "Bushs fault" to her.


80 posted on 08/28/2005 5:21:29 PM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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