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Lessons From our Ancestors About the Countryside(Five Experts Ran a Welsh farm using 17th C methods)
BBC ^ | Friday, 19 August 2005 | Megan Lane

Posted on 08/20/2005 9:03:36 PM PDT by nickcarraway

For a year five experts ditched theory for practice, running a Welsh farm using 17th Century methods. What lessons for modern living did they learn?

The BBC series Tales from the Green Valley follows historians and archaeologists as they recreate farm life from the age of the Stuarts. They wear the clothes, eat the food and use the tools, skills and technology of the 1620s.

It was a time when daily life was a hard grind, intimately connected with the physical environment where routines were dictated by the weather and the seasons. A far cry from today's experience of the countryside, which for many involves a bracing walk ahead of a pub lunch.

While few would choose to live a 17th Century lifestyle, the participants found they picked up some valuable tips for modern life.

1. Know thy neighbours. Today it's possible to live alone, without knowing anyone within a 20-mile radius (the same goes for townies). That was simply not possible in the past - not only did the neighbours provide social contact, people shared labour, specialist skills and produce. "And women were judged on good neighbourliness," says historian Ruth Goodman. "If you were willing to help others - particularly during and after childbirth - then others would be more prepared to help you in times of need."

2. Share the load. It was nigh on impossible to run a 1620s farm single-handedly, and the family - either blood relatives, or a farmer, his wife and hired help - had to be multi-skilled. Labour, too, was often divided along gender lines, but at busy periods, such as harvest time, it was all hands on deck.

3. Fewer creature comforts have some benefits. No electricity meant once daylight faded, work stopped in favour of conversation, music-making and knitting. And no carpets meant fewer dust mites, which are linked to asthma and allergies. "They scattered herbs on the floor which released scent when trodden on - this drove out flies and other insects," says Ms Goodman.

4. Eat seasonally. Today it's because of "food miles" and the inferior quality of forced products. In the 1620s, it was because foods were only available at certain times of year - and not just fruit and veg. Mutton, for instance, was in abundance in spring, soon after shearing time. This was because a sheep's wool quality plunges after eight years - thus animals of that age were killed after their final fleece was removed.

5. Tasty food comes in small batches. Today farmers' markets are a tourist attraction and many delight in regional specialities. For these producers play to the strengths of their ingredients, unlike, for instance, the makers of mass-produced cheese. This has to taste the same year-round, despite seasonal variations in milk quality. "So high-quality milk in the spring is downgraded so the finished product is consistent throughout the year," says Ms Goodman.

6. Reuse and recycle. Today we throw away vast mountains of packaging, food, garden waste and other materials. In 1620s, there was a use for everything, with tattered bed linens made into fire-lighters and animal fat into soap. Even human waste had uses. Faeces was a fertiliser, and urine was stored to make ammonia to remove laundry stains.

7. Dress for practicalities. Today fashion and social convention dictate our wardrobes. While polar fleeces and high-performance tramping boots may be all the rage when going rural, the wardrobe of 400 years ago proved more comfortable. "While the crew shivered in their modern garb, we never felt the cold in just two layers - a linen shirt and woollen doublet," says archaeologist Alex Langlands. Breeches meant no wet and muddy trouser legs, and staying covered up - rather than stripping off in the heat - prevented bites, stings, sunburn and scratches.

8. Corsets, not bras. "By that I don't mean Victorian corseting," says Ms Goodman. "Corsets support your back as well as your chest, and don't leave red welts on your skin like bra elastic does. They made it hard to breath walking up hills, but I get short of breath doing that anyway. And most people feel sexy in a corset."

9. Biodiversity protects against unforeseen calamity. While the developed world no longer counts the cost of crop failure in starvation and mass migration - the result of Ireland's Great Potato Famine in 1845 - the 2001 foot-and-mouth crisis decimated farms up and down the country as animals, the farmers' livelihoods, were put to death. The 1620s farm had grains, fruit and vegetables, and a range of animals - if one failed, alternatives were available.

9. Reliance on any one thing leaves you vulnerable. Hence the country ground to a halt during the petrol blockades of 2000, and a shortage of coal during 1978-9's Winter of Discontent caused electricity shortages. On the 1620s farm, when oxen used to plough fields fell ill, the implements were reshaped and horses did the job instead.

10. No pesticides means a richer variety of birds, butterflies and other insects, many of which feast on pests - a result as desirable for the gardener as the farmer. And the hedgerow and fields of wild flowers of the past are today making a comeback, as these provide habitats for these creatures and allow edible plants to flourish.

\Tales from the Green Valley will be broadcast weekly on BBC Two from Friday, 19 August, at 1930BST.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: archaeology; conservative; culture; farm; history; lessons; society
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To: garandgal
I've read about those things, but have never seen one. YIKES!

Yes, the people who settled this country went through all kinds of discomfort to do so.

61 posted on 08/21/2005 12:32:34 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons
"And they didn't just use herbs,but herbs mixed in with long grasses."

It's always nice to get a new piece of information and quite commendable that you knew it to share it. But there was no mention of long grasses, or floor coverings called "rushes" in the article. You accused LJ of missing it during the course of her reading. She couldn't miss something that wasn't there in the first place.

62 posted on 08/21/2005 12:37:09 AM PDT by TAdams8591 (Member since December 1998)
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To: garandgal

I read several novels about people living on flatland in the kinds of homes you described and have also seen pictures of them. It wouldn't be one of my preferences, for sure, lol!


63 posted on 08/21/2005 12:40:25 AM PDT by TAdams8591 (Member since December 1998)
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To: kalee; little jeremiah
"Fleas can live in the cracks in hardwood floors."

But not for long.

What was on the floor and the efficiacy of the herbs had nothing to do with the issue of plague fleas. The plague fleas were carried by rodents and distributed throughout the house by the rodents. The fact that rodents were common in everyones houses until recently, and the fact that living quarters for the average family were quite small until recently, insured that in conditions where plague fleas existed one would be exposed regardless of what was on the floor.

64 posted on 08/21/2005 12:42:36 AM PDT by gnarledmaw (I traded freedom for security and all I got were these damned shackles.)
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To: TAdams8591
Nope, I didn't accuse anyone of "missing" the rushed thing. I said, quite plainly, that the article stated that there were NOT bare wood floors, which the person had claimed would NOT hold fleas. That too was refuted by another poster.

The article states that the floors were covered in HERBS, which when stepped on, emitted flea repellent. This really isn't 100% true/accurate.

Look, I'm really NOT trying to be officious nor a smartypants. This is just something I happen to know about.

65 posted on 08/21/2005 12:42:38 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons; little jeremiah
...and there are plenty more fleas coming from the roof, bed or mice.
66 posted on 08/21/2005 12:43:14 AM PDT by endthematrix ("an ominous vacancy"...I mean, JOHN ROBERTS now fills this space!)
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To: endthematrix

Especially if said roof is thatch.


67 posted on 08/21/2005 12:45:43 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons
Yes, the people who settled this country went through all kinds of discomfort to do so.

One of my favorite family history stories was my GGG Grandmother. I have a family photo of her taken in Germany around 1860...just before she came here. The family lived in the city and was very obviously wealthy, judging from the clothes and jewelry.

Her future husband had come ahead, and decided to settle in Iowa on a farm. She actually got onto a boat by herself at the age of 19, took a train to Iowa by herself and ended up a farmer's wife in an area that was completely unsettled and still dominated by various Indian tribes.

She knew when she left that she would never see her family again...it was a final family photo.

Ah, love!

68 posted on 08/21/2005 12:49:11 AM PDT by garandgal
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To: garandgal
There must be so many similar stories, but that's what makes family stories SO great! They are our history and our forebears are why we are what we are today; for the most part.

Thank you very much for posting that. :-)

69 posted on 08/21/2005 12:52:50 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: TAdams8591
It wouldn't be one of my preferences, for sure, lol!

It's a wonder they didn't go mad! Can you imagine..parents and two or three kids cooped up like that??

They even had replicas of the "cots"...muslin stuffed with grass on crude stick frames. The dugouts were usually temporary homes; until you could "upgrade" to one made out of sod or logs.

70 posted on 08/21/2005 12:55:32 AM PDT by garandgal
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To: nickcarraway

Keep thy trusty musket neareth to you as there are no constabularies to safeguard your person...


71 posted on 08/21/2005 1:03:03 AM PDT by Skybird
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To: nopardons
"And no carpets meant fewer dust mites, which are linked to asthma and allergies. "They scattered herbs on the floor which released scent when trodden on - this drove out flies and other insects," says Ms Goodman."

NO WHERE does the article state the floors were COVERED in herbs (see above). It says there were NO carpets and herbs were scattered on the floor. Nor does it state there were "rushes" (long grasses)on the floor.

Most people would garner from the above sentence that the floors were basically bear (as LJ and myself did) except for a SCATTERING (not a COVERING) of herbs.

You have additional knowledge which suggests otherwise, apart and aside from the article, which has nothing to do with LJ's reading comprehension.

72 posted on 08/21/2005 1:03:55 AM PDT by TAdams8591 (Member since December 1998)
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To: nopardons
Our pioneer heritage passes for technological achievement in many places. I learned blacksmithing while my wife learned spinning. We were interested in draft animals and found that one organization called Tillers teaches skills to students in Africa and S America to bring home to help build their communities up!
73 posted on 08/21/2005 1:03:59 AM PDT by endthematrix ("an ominous vacancy"...I mean, JOHN ROBERTS now fills this space!)
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To: TAdams8591

bear=bare, lol!


74 posted on 08/21/2005 1:04:53 AM PDT by TAdams8591 (Member since December 1998)
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To: TAdams8591
Scattered doesn't mean mean "thin" nor sparsely covering and yes, they were SCATTERED. They just took handfuls of the stuff and threw it down on the floor. As a matter of fact, when one layer was dirty and full of muck, they just went out and got some more herbs and ling grasses and threw them down over the first and then second and then third and so on layers. After a while, usually in the early spring, they swept the whole mess outside and began anew.

This is the way it had been from at least the time of William the Conqueror, for castles to hovels.

75 posted on 08/21/2005 1:10:40 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: endthematrix

Oh my goodness.


76 posted on 08/21/2005 1:11:48 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: TAdams8591
Oh, and BTW, the whole things was about fleas, anyway; not the floor covering! And other posters have also told LJ that the fleas would still be there; bare floor or not! So that's THREE of us, who have refuted his assumption.

Go rant at them now, as well, or we'll all know that you are picking this fight with me, for no good reason. ;^)

77 posted on 08/21/2005 1:14:56 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons
And that's a good thing. I mean how can the USA tell Africa or nay other underdeveloped country to adapt to current socioeconomic conditions when they can't grasp what we were doing a hundred years ago. We can't just sell them John Deere tractors, when they've been used to scratching the dirt or waiting for USAID handouts.
78 posted on 08/21/2005 1:26:20 AM PDT by endthematrix ("an ominous vacancy"...I mean, JOHN ROBERTS now fills this space!)
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To: nopardons

Awwwwww, reply #75 for you was so nice. Then you had to go and disappoint me.


79 posted on 08/21/2005 1:29:19 AM PDT by TAdams8591 (Member since December 1998)
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To: endthematrix

I see your point; however many African countries are far beyond the stone age...though many of their tyrannical dictators are sending their nations back to that point in time.


80 posted on 08/21/2005 1:29:29 AM PDT by nopardons
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