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Mexican footprints cause scientific stir
MANBC ^ | 2:01 p.m. ET July 5, 2005 | AP

Posted on 08/18/2005 9:21:43 AM PDT by gnarledmaw

AP LONDON - British scientists claimed on Tuesday to have unearthed 40,000-year-old human footprints in central Mexico, challenging previous studies that put the arrival of the first humans in the Americas at about 13,500 years ago.

Scientists Silvia Gonzalez, from Liverpool John Moores University, and Matthew Bennett, of Bournemouth University, found the footprints in an abandoned quarry close to the Cerro Toluquilla volcano in the Valsequillo Basin...

Continued at MSNBC

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TOPICS: Mexico; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: clovisfirst; godsgravesglyphs; history; preclovis
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To: gnarledmaw

Maybe the indians stole if from someone else.


41 posted on 08/18/2005 10:40:49 AM PDT by DManA
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To: taxesareforever

Semantics.

Mexicans are mestizos...metis in the French parlance.
They're almost all part Indian, and the ones who immigrate to the US in particular are quite heavily Indian by blood.

Granted, their not of the same tribes as originally peopled North America, but of Mexican tribes. But their Amerindians nonetheless.

Just look at the Mexican immigration into N. America as the repopulation of the region by the Indians, and you'll do fine.


42 posted on 08/18/2005 10:47:44 AM PDT by Vicomte13 (Tibikak ishkwata!)
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To: xJones

it's sasquatch! or in this case El Sasquatch.


43 posted on 08/18/2005 10:56:30 AM PDT by BigCinBigD
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To: xJones

Kinda looks like Mr. Mew's actually. I'm not kidding :)


44 posted on 08/18/2005 10:58:56 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: EagleUSA

Too Funny!


45 posted on 08/18/2005 11:00:42 AM PDT by CaptainK
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To: gnarledmaw

Mexicans weren't in Mexico then...there was a native tribe...mexicans evolved when Spain mixed with the natives of that day!!!


46 posted on 08/18/2005 11:03:36 AM PDT by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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To: gnarledmaw

Wow, Kennewick Man walked a long way to Washington.


47 posted on 08/18/2005 11:17:28 AM PDT by usurper (Correct spelling is overrated)
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To: mercy
I believe you are referring to the book Forbidden Archeology... written by Michael Cremo. Which reminds me, I need to ask my father to return it so I can read it again! LOL

Interesting book...

48 posted on 08/18/2005 11:28:24 AM PDT by Ex-expromissor (Know Your Enemy)
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To: Ex-expromissor

Yes I think that's it. Thanks.


49 posted on 08/18/2005 11:34:45 AM PDT by mercy (never again a patsy for Bill Gates - spyware and viri free for over TWO YEARS now)
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To: gnarledmaw

Ping


50 posted on 08/18/2005 11:44:14 AM PDT by Dustbunny (The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist)
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To: TheCrusader
Did they use carbon dating for "prove" the age of these footprints? If so...

(snip)

You should have read the article before "debunking" a process that they didn't use. From the article:

"The footprints were analyzed and dated by a team of international scientists using laser technology."

51 posted on 08/18/2005 11:48:26 AM PDT by wyattearp (The best weapon to have in a gunfight is a shotgun - preferably from ambush.)
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To: Vicomte13
Mexicans ARE Indians, paleface.

Didn't we settle this argument when the mexican guy was cast in the Voyager role of Chakotay, which was SUPPOSED to be a Native American?

52 posted on 08/18/2005 4:17:01 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: taxesareforever
I am not exactly sure where you got that idea.

So sorry chum. No matter if we arrive 5 minutes before you did, the treaties would still be good.

Consider it a test.

53 posted on 08/18/2005 4:22:34 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (When I walk into Sanctuary the band plays "Sweet Home Alabama")
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To: gnarledmaw

YEC INTREP


54 posted on 08/18/2005 6:50:02 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (The radical secularization of America is happening)
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To: xJones

Both prints look a bit weird. The one is just toes and heal. If toes and heal are there where is the rest of the print? Also the toes seem to be in a straight line. The other print is weird too. It looks globby in a sort of unexplainable way.


55 posted on 08/18/2005 8:04:22 PM PDT by Bellflower (A new day is Coming!)
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To: wyattearp
"You should have read the article before "debunking" a process that they didn't use. From the article: "The footprints were analyzed and dated by a team of international scientists using laser technology."

But my point remains intact. Many highly capable scientists claim the accuracy of the various geochronological dating methods is dubious. They also claim that none of the dating methods are consistent with one another, beyond a few thousand years.

What really troubles me about the whole thing is that the evolutionists advance their "discoveries" and theories as though it's indisputable proof of their conclusions, when in fact there is much dispute amongst scientists regarding the age of the earth and the various dating methods. But the msm, public school texts and university professors make no mention of these serious disagreements and debates within the scientific community, (which tends to make it all the more questionable).

56 posted on 08/18/2005 10:46:15 PM PDT by TheCrusader ("The frenzy of the Mohammedans has devastated the churches of God" -Pope Urban II, 1097AD)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear; Vicomte13

Hey, I just thought I would throw some sarcasm into this issue and look what it's got to. Go figure. Everybody seems so uptight about race. Is it because there is a full moon?


57 posted on 08/19/2005 12:43:39 AM PDT by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: TheCrusader
Did they use carbon dating for "prove" the age of these footprints?

No.. Laser dating..
Additionally, in the following excerpt from the article, it is pointed out that the footprints were found in volcanic ash after 6 to 10 feet of sediment were removed..

There is probably a greater liklihood that these footprints belong to Whitey Bulger than to a man who lived 40,000 years ago.

No... These people take such dating very seriously..
Their professional reputation depends upon it..

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Gonzalez said the footprints were preserved as trace fossils in volcanic ash along what was the shoreline of an ancient volcanic lake.
"Climate variations and the eruption of the Cerro Toluquilla volcano caused lake levels to rise and fall, exposing the Xalnene volcanic ash layer," Gonzalez said.
She said the footprints, which were preserved when water levels rose, were now as hard as concrete and had been uncovered without excavation after quarry workers removed 6 to 10 feet (2 to 3 meters) of lake sediment that had been deposited on top of the volcanic ash layer.
The footprints were analyzed and dated by a team of international scientists using laser technology.

58 posted on 08/19/2005 1:18:18 AM PDT by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: TheCrusader
Many highly capable scientists claim the accuracy of the various geochronological dating methods is dubious. They also claim that none of the dating methods are consistent with one another, beyond a few thousand years.

Prove it..
Where's your source?
There may have been questions and controversy 40 years ago, but there isn't much, if any in the present..
Questions of accuracy have been answered...
Improvements in technology, accuracy of measurements, reductions in the amount of sample material required, and additional processes, tools and techniques have made any such arguments moot..

Your argument holds no water...

59 posted on 08/19/2005 1:44:37 AM PDT by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: ShadowAce
How do they know the human was 40,000 years old at the time he left the footprints?

There was a 40,000 year old Taco Bell receipt near it.

60 posted on 08/19/2005 1:50:03 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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