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America and Israel are not the Problem
Jewish Comment (UK) ^ | 14AUG05 | Carol Gould

Posted on 08/13/2005 8:59:21 PM PDT by familyop

One of the most-repeated observations in the British media since the tragic events of 7th July is ‘we were all asleep or we would have noticed these radicals in our midst.’ Other publications and broadcast media have noted that new generations of young Muslims are now even more alienated than were their immigrant parents. Many writers are identifying the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and the Iraq war as catalysts that inspired the terror attacks on London.

What has become crystal clear over these difficult weeks since the bombings of 7th July is that the verbal attacks many of us unfortunate enough to be loathsome Yanks or Jews suffered over the years have not really abated. Since returning from the USA I have been told that ‘Americans are the rudest of all the tourists -- they knock people down and bang into one at Harrods without even saying sorry.’ Frankly, having experienced Americans inside their own country for nearly ten months, I find this hard to believe. If a Yank so much as brushes by one, there is a gushing ‘Oh, my heavens, I am so sorry! Excuse me, ma’am.’ My mouth hung open on many an occasion in big cities as bus drivers and dustmen bent over backwards to enquire after my welfare and instruct me on the safest way to get home. In big department stores, even at Macy’s in tough old Manhattan, I found shoppers infinitely more polite and friendly than we Londoners are wont to be on an average day.

During the past five years, it has become increasingly more difficult to be American, Jewish or a war supporter in the UK and Europe. After my piece appeared in the Guardian last year, the American director of the Mori Poll organisation chastised me for exaggerating the anti-Americanism in the UK. Maybe he has been lucky; many Americans live out a prosperous life in Great Britain and die without any abuse. ( I would be curious to know if Beverly Malone, the African American head of the British Nursing Association survived her tenure without any gibes.) I must be one of the less fortunate ones.

But let us move away from the personal to a broader perspective. There is no doubting the evidence that since the al Aqsa Intifadah started in September 2000, the level of animosity towards the United States and Israel has risen in the European media. Just as one has heard, ‘You Jews use the Holocaust as a convenient excuse to validate the existence of the apartheid state of Israel’ so has one heard the comments about the USA using 9/11 as an excuse to tighten its border controls and demand ID from anyone travelling within or into the USA.

The British media began to obsess on Israel and te USA after 9/11, the most vile being in ‘The Daily Mirror’ on 4th July 2002. (Note that this was long before the Iraq War or Abu Ghraib.) Here was a widely-read daily publication branding the USA a ‘Rogue State’ and using John Pilger, whose detestation-in-print of the USA and Israel is breathtaking, to write a piece condemning Americans on the occasion of their first Independence Day holiday since 9/11. In 'The Guardian,' Faisal Bodi wrote 'Israel Simply Has no Right to Exist,' and the art critic Brian Sewell reflected in 'The Evening Standard' that the Jews of Manchester were somehow greedy to want a modest Holocaust memorial museum. Innumerable editorials appeared about the Zionist cabal inlfluencing Blair and Bush, and the dreaded Americans bringing those ugly Starbucks cafes to Primrose Hill.

All through the years of vilification, culminating in the awful experience on the London bus that many people say I imagined in my October 2004 Guardian piece, precious little column space has been spent condemning the activities of scores of radical groups operating openly and without impunity across Great Britain. In these columns we reported, starting in 2002, on the hate literature and speeches generated by countless extremist groups in London and further afield.

a sample link:

Whilst this was unfolding under our noses, endless British column inches and magazine front covers were appearing condemning America, Jews, Zionists and Israel as if these were the prime threats to the safety of your average Briton. Long before the invasion of Iraq -- seen by many in the UK as an excuse by American Zionist neocons to help Israel expand -- the 'New Statesman' magazine was using the image of a Star of David impaling a Union Jack on its front cover to espouse a theory that we were in the throes of ‘A Kosher Conspiracy.‘ There are 260,000 Jews in Britain and over one and a half million Muslims. The idea that the British media saw some sort of evil threat to the survival of Blighty from the meagre citizenry of an exemplary, industrious and high-achieving minority was and is scurrilous when in Edgware Road bookshops were openly selling volumes about jihad and the glory thereof.

Even now, speeches are being made at events around the UK about the ‘vile’ Israel and the genocidal USA. Notwithstanding the appalling business practices of Malcolm Glazer reported by ITV in its documentary about the American tycoon, the fury of the Manchester crowds over his purchase of the legendary Manchester United soccer team is a disturbing over-reaction that looks not unlike a Mosley Black Shirt rally in 1930s Cable Street. Readers have said we in these columns underestimate the rage felt by Britons over the takeover by a Yank of a famous team, but the ‘Die, Glazer, Die’ banners and shouts of homicidal abuse are as terrifying as the burning of the Stars and Stripes in Grosvenor Square in May of this year by Muslim radicals.

One can hear cries of 'But the US provoked the Muslim world with Gitmo and Abu Ghraib, and Israel with its occupation' but the literature being disseminated in Trafalgar Square in 2002 was frightening and inciteful and was printed long before the Iraq War. Likewise the highest number of suicide attacks inside Israel occurred during the Oslo era, when Yitzhak Rabin was endeavouring to end Israel's military presence in lands won in the 1967 war. ('Won' means a war fought by one little nation against six Arab armies churned up by Nasser's exhortations to said Arab armies of total annihilation of the Jewish State.)

Those of us who saw merit in the removal of Saddam Hussein understand what the big picture is: Blair, Bush and Howard of Australia saw the need for a strengthened Iraq in the shadow of a growing fundamentalist wave trying to swamp Saudi Arabia, Syria, Pakistan and Egpyt. Perhaps the USA and its allies should become isolationist and not care what happens to these countries. The problem is that radicals in the thousands of mosques across the UK (103 in Birmingham alone where it is reported that only one preaches in English, compared to a brace of churches and a handful of synagogues) see the great Islamic Caliphate and world state emerging across Europe, or as Bat Ye’or calls it, ‘Eurabia,’ and that the triumph of a repressive permutation of a great religion and culture will herald the European Caliphate. At the time of this writing Iran is sabre-rattling but the BBC, in turn, is doing a feature about the Israeli nuclear threat and the fact that Britain delivered 20 tons of heavy water to the Jewish State without telling a then-hostile-to-Israel USA several decades ago.

These little diversions -- the BBC targeting Israel when Iran has gone ahead and broken the UN seals at its plants -- are bizarre and painful to watch, when at the end of the day the USA and Israel are not threatening the world with a collapse into a ninth-century dark ages that will see the dismembering of homosexuals and subjugation of women, not to mention the annihilation of Israel and slaughter of Jews, Christians, Sikhs and Hindus in a holy war.

It is time the obsessive haters of Jews and Yanks turned their energies to the threat within our benighted shores. Jews and Americans cannot be blamed for the riots in Bradford and Burnley in 2001. Jews and Americans do not wish harm to come to British people, but endless streams of fulminating imams, on TV, on the Internet and in the streets of London do, and that is why it would benefit all of us living in the UK to stop vilifying Americans and Jews and start understanding what we have to deal with in our island nation -- a fifth column that wants death to come to all of us if their dream of a Caliphate cannot be realised.

Last week the BBC and Channel Four showed material about the Hiroshima bomb. All across British mainstream, primetime television and radio, revisionist history was informing a new generation of viewers that the gum-chewing, gung-ho Yanks just got up one morning and decided to incinerate 150,000 ‘Japs.’ Never once did they tell the history of Japanese expansionism, ruthless colonisations and enslavements of swathes of Asia nor was the sadistic treatment of male and female allied prisoners of war ever mentioned. (My mother visited women who had been rescued from Japanese camps and who were in American veterans’ hospitals; they were never released into society because they were rendered human wrecks by the Japanese torturers.) The European and British media have sought to demonise Israel, and, to a lesser extent the USA by never explaining the historical context of the creation of Israel or America’s valiant efforts to sustain Western democracy around the world, and this has led to the abuse one receives ‘on the street’ from ordinary Britons and Europeans who have been taught to hate these demon-nations.

If anyone, including Margaret Drabble, who wrote the visceral ‘I loathe America’ column in the Telegraph in May 2003, can find one Jew or American living in the UK who wishes harm to come to any Briton, I would like to hear from them. Dubya and Sharon may be loathsome to many, but their citizens are not roaming our streets calling for a holy war against us.

Think hard on that one, and in the words of the colonial flag, 'Don't tread on me.'

********************* Link to the Margaret Drabble article condemning America:

TOPICS: Culture/Society; Israel; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: antiamerican; antiisrael; bombings; britain; israel; terror; terrorism; uk

1 posted on 08/13/2005 8:59:21 PM PDT by familyop
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To: SJackson
2 posted on 08/13/2005 9:00:02 PM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: familyop

Of course America and Israel aren't the problem.

Honestly, I hate that Israel has had to withdraw from Gaza...doesn't make sense to reward a bunch of fanatics hellbent on eliminating the people of Israel with more land. Israel has had to simply survive through all the bombings and attacks and they have to pull out? Ridiculous!

3 posted on 08/13/2005 9:20:28 PM PDT by FeeinTennessee (
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To: FeeinTennessee
Okay, don't mean to "jack" this thread, but what's with all the moving companies being operated by young Jewish fellows who appear to be very intelligent, in fact Officer material, military wise?
The one's I met were very smart and could be making a whole lot of money, a lot easier than toting couches and dishes.
Flame all anyone wants, but I believe God has given a special mission to Israel. Anyone?
4 posted on 08/13/2005 9:39:57 PM PDT by investigateworld ( God bless Poland for giving the world JP II & a Protestant bump for his Sainthood!)
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To: FeeinTennessee

I look at the Gaza withdrawal as a move to give the Palestinians enough rope to hang themselves with.

Either they will pull together and enforce law and order, implement a Democracy, and respect human rights... Or they'll become a chaotic anarchy full of terrorists, with no respect for human rights... And Israel won't be there to blame for their lack of improvement from what is now the status quo (chaos, anarchy, terror).

After that, justifying imposing rigorous anti-terror tactics in the Gaza and the West Bank would be easier.

My bet is on the Palestinians screwing up their one chance to prove that they can run a country on their own without the Israelis providing security and as a deterence against complete anarchy.

Of course, not to be a bigot, but I think the problem with the Palestinians is not inherent to them racially, but it is due to their general acceptance of extremist ideologies, which will taint any and all attempts at self-governance, and extremist Islam has shown that it is mostly incapable of running a country, and encouraging prosperity. Extremist religions in general encourage poverty and illiteracy because it gives them more power over the populace. Same goes for oppressive governments.

5 posted on 08/13/2005 9:56:39 PM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: familyop


6 posted on 08/13/2005 10:29:16 PM PDT by jonno (We are NOT a democracy - though we are democratic. We ARE a constitutional republic.)
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"Since returning from the USA I have been told that ‘Americans are the rudest of all the tourists -- they knock people down and bang into one at Harrods without even saying sorry.’"

BTW, have any of you been on busy sidewalks in London during the 1980s?
7 posted on 08/13/2005 11:05:32 PM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: familyop

Philippines, Indonesia, India, Malaysia, Russia, Kosovo, Sudan are just a few places where islam is seeking to take control, by the worst methods of terror against innocent civilians.

America, Israel and Britain have nothing to do with the islamic problem, in any of these places. It is pure war aggression.

This fact must be repeated EVERY TIME mention is made of Israel, which is a duly established nation.

Muslims seeking to take control are just the same as Hitler and his Nazi aggression, which many muslims supported then (and now).

8 posted on 08/13/2005 11:29:33 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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9 posted on 08/14/2005 12:20:27 AM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media.)
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To: familyop

This "new" anti-Americanism from the mother country is so ironic that I can't help but laugh and ridicule the Poms. It was not too long ago (until WWII) that there was an "old" anti-Americanism in their land. The only difference was that at the time the "old" anti-Americanism was to look down on America as the barbarian un-cultured nouvelle riches.

Hey Pommies, your great-great-great-grandfathers built the British Empire, your grandfathers ran the Empire, and you still admire their accomplishments today, and yet you now say the US is imperialist and therefore must be bad?

10 posted on 08/14/2005 1:29:10 AM PDT by NZerFromHK ("US libs...hypocritical, naive, pompous...if US falls it will be because of these" - Tao Kit (HK))
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11 posted on 08/14/2005 1:33:23 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons

Germns sure want to crowd you. I have had a guy walk up with his girl behind me and push into me to read the Effing menu at a beer stand. I Effing hate it here! There is no personal space. You should share your table even if you don't like the type of person sitting down with you. BTW this is norther Germany. It may be a bit different in southern Germany where there are more Americans.

I can't wait to get out and get back to the good ole USA

12 posted on 08/14/2005 2:54:33 AM PDT by BookaT (My cat's breath smells like cat food!)
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13 posted on 08/14/2005 3:16:41 AM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: FeeinTennessee
Honestly, I hate that Israel has had to withdraw from Gaza...doesn't make sense to reward a bunch of fanatics hellbent on eliminating the people of Israel with more land. Israel has had to simply survive through all the bombings and attacks and they have to pull out? Ridiculous!

Not only that, but those who demonize the US and Israel are so completely delusional that they claim that the war in Iraq is to allow Israel to expand, ignoring the fact that Israel is withdrawing from Gaza right now...

It's like there's a total disconnect: When they start talking, they aren't able to think.


14 posted on 08/14/2005 3:28:30 AM PDT by MarkL (It was a shocking cock-up. The mice were furious!)
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To: NZerFromHK
Hullo Kiwi.

I think that you have to be a bit more precise about which sectors of Brit society are 'Anti-US'.

Traditionally, politics-wise, it has always been the Labour Party/Socialists who have disliked the US (which is pretty bizarre, given that Tony Blair presently heads the Labour Party and seems to be feted by a lot of U citizens on this site). The grassroots Labour has always hated the US - pure envy because its vaunted Socialism has been seen to be a crock. Liberal Democrats are anti US, anti war, anti everything and not worth any more space here.

It is only the Conservative Party that has traditionally been the great ally of the US and the American people. We still stand firm, and we are still out of line enough to rightly admire our colonial history, warts and all. We were doing what we reckoned was right, just as the US is doing today, despite the usual envy and idealistic/socialist/communist/liberal opposition. But the Conservative Party lies in ruins, having adopted the way of political correctness and multiculti which have reduced our once proud nation to the mere shadow of its former self.

The Conservative Party needs to return to its conservative values, not try to steal New Labour's clothes. Unfortunately in this country, over the last 20 years the liberati 'great and good' have gained firm footholds in the education system and have preached the reconstructed history of our country. We are firmly back in the days of Neville Chamberlain and a nation of compromise and appeasement, having been severely infected by Europe. To have any strong opinions in this country nowadays is not 'cool'. It is only cool to be 'laid back' and care about nothing - as long as no-one makes any waves we will all get on together. Well, waves have been made this July in London, I am very seriously concerned that we have lost the guts to do what has to be done.
By the way, Kiwi, wothcher 'gonna do about the gorgeous Helen Clark??? (and your very own Islamic threat?) ABs trashed the Aussies 30-13 in the Tri Nations footie- brilliant, maybe we can trip em up in the Cricket, just for once.
15 posted on 08/14/2005 4:03:39 AM PDT by 5050 no line
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To: 5050 no line

I have seen all sorts of confusions among many people in your country. I have met Poms who hate what Britain had done now and are anti-US, I have also seen some inconsistent types who admire what the historical British Empire achieved, and then turn around and bash "US is imperialist and is bad!", some who are trying to use the European Union and hijack Europe into "British Empire Mark II", and some who are anti-US simply because Britain no longer rules the waves as in Joseph Chamberlain's times.

Conversely, I have also met a variety of Britons who support Bush with different background - anti-monarchist liberals (I mean classical liberals and not leftists), Thatcherite conservatives, and mugged-by-reality moderate leftists. My apologies for not raising my aim at which precise groups, but my original post was aimed at those "inconsistent poeple".

About this country, it depends on how political fashions in the mother country goes. The British Left basically controls the ideological spectrums here, courtesy of ties with the BBC and Kiwis who had lived in Britain either for the OE or jobs. We can't do too much about it unfortunately.

16 posted on 08/14/2005 4:23:10 AM PDT by NZerFromHK ("US libs...hypocritical, naive, pompous...if US falls it will be because of these" - Tao Kit (HK))
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; ...
If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.


17 posted on 08/14/2005 6:20:50 AM PDT by SJackson (America...thru dissent and protest lost the ability to mobilize a will to win, Col Bui Tin, PAVN)
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To: BookaT
And we can't wait to have you back home. :-)

Thanks for the update on how things are in Germany.

18 posted on 08/14/2005 2:33:54 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: 5050 no line

I love England and have been there many times. I've never had any trouble at all there, with anti-Americanism, but I haven't been there since 9/11, so maybe things have changed a wee bit.

19 posted on 08/14/2005 2:37:00 PM PDT by nopardons
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