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To: NZerFromHK
Hullo Kiwi.

I think that you have to be a bit more precise about which sectors of Brit society are 'Anti-US'.

Traditionally, politics-wise, it has always been the Labour Party/Socialists who have disliked the US (which is pretty bizarre, given that Tony Blair presently heads the Labour Party and seems to be feted by a lot of U citizens on this site). The grassroots Labour has always hated the US - pure envy because its vaunted Socialism has been seen to be a crock. Liberal Democrats are anti US, anti war, anti everything and not worth any more space here.

It is only the Conservative Party that has traditionally been the great ally of the US and the American people. We still stand firm, and we are still out of line enough to rightly admire our colonial history, warts and all. We were doing what we reckoned was right, just as the US is doing today, despite the usual envy and idealistic/socialist/communist/liberal opposition. But the Conservative Party lies in ruins, having adopted the way of political correctness and multiculti which have reduced our once proud nation to the mere shadow of its former self.

The Conservative Party needs to return to its conservative values, not try to steal New Labour's clothes. Unfortunately in this country, over the last 20 years the liberati 'great and good' have gained firm footholds in the education system and have preached the reconstructed history of our country. We are firmly back in the days of Neville Chamberlain and a nation of compromise and appeasement, having been severely infected by Europe. To have any strong opinions in this country nowadays is not 'cool'. It is only cool to be 'laid back' and care about nothing - as long as no-one makes any waves we will all get on together. Well, waves have been made this July in London, I am very seriously concerned that we have lost the guts to do what has to be done.
By the way, Kiwi, wothcher 'gonna do about the gorgeous Helen Clark??? (and your very own Islamic threat?) ABs trashed the Aussies 30-13 in the Tri Nations footie- brilliant, maybe we can trip em up in the Cricket, just for once.
15 posted on 08/14/2005 4:03:39 AM PDT by 5050 no line
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To: 5050 no line

I have seen all sorts of confusions among many people in your country. I have met Poms who hate what Britain had done now and are anti-US, I have also seen some inconsistent types who admire what the historical British Empire achieved, and then turn around and bash "US is imperialist and is bad!", some who are trying to use the European Union and hijack Europe into "British Empire Mark II", and some who are anti-US simply because Britain no longer rules the waves as in Joseph Chamberlain's times.

Conversely, I have also met a variety of Britons who support Bush with different background - anti-monarchist liberals (I mean classical liberals and not leftists), Thatcherite conservatives, and mugged-by-reality moderate leftists. My apologies for not raising my aim at which precise groups, but my original post was aimed at those "inconsistent poeple".

About this country, it depends on how political fashions in the mother country goes. The British Left basically controls the ideological spectrums here, courtesy of ties with the BBC and Kiwis who had lived in Britain either for the OE or jobs. We can't do too much about it unfortunately.


16 posted on 08/14/2005 4:23:10 AM PDT by NZerFromHK ("US libs...hypocritical, naive, pompous...if US falls it will be because of these" - Tao Kit (HK))
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To: 5050 no line

I love England and have been there many times. I've never had any trouble at all there, with anti-Americanism, but I haven't been there since 9/11, so maybe things have changed a wee bit.


19 posted on 08/14/2005 2:37:00 PM PDT by nopardons
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