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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 9
Various News Outlets | 7/25/05

Posted on 07/25/2005 7:17:04 AM PDT by TexKat

Natalee Holloway and friends in Aruba 5/30/05


TOPICS: US: Alabama; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: aruba; beth; carloscharlies; deepak; disappear; joran; kalpoes; kidnapped; mansur; natalee; nataleeholloway; satish; twitty
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To: GarySpFc
One of Natalee's friends has stated she only had two drinks.

Just those 2 shots of 151? Which friend? There are some that say they are her firends but I am not convinced. Is it one of the gals that put on the silver necklaces?

581 posted on 07/25/2005 9:29:56 PM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't begin and stop with the other person.)
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To: Rippersnapper
Just those 2 shots of 151? Which friend? There are some that say they are her firends but I am not convinced. Is it one of the gals that put on the silver necklaces?

We know you're convinced Natalee is the little tramp, and Joran is the golden chick magnet who can do no wrong. You don't even know she was drinking the 151 proof shots. Hint, hint, the golden boy is a sociopath.
582 posted on 07/25/2005 9:38:36 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: Rippersnapper

Nobody in the family or the friends want to talk about that night. A caller to LKL tonight asked Dave about chaperones and friends and he said those questions were for later and for Beth to answer. He said the FBI had talked to everyone. I just have to suppose that there is a good reason for all the questions being unanswered.


583 posted on 07/25/2005 9:41:04 PM PDT by Jrabbit
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To: Rippersnapper; All
here is my question....I've heard Jug say at least three times on three differant shows that he wants the transcripts of the two hour interview that was done the night Jug and Beth and the two cops went to see Sloots...

I think it was the very first meeting with the Sloots after BHT and Jug got to the island.....Beth stayed in the car while Jug and the cops went to talk with the Sloots.....

IF Jug was right there, why does he need the transcript?....

He heard everything being said, didn't he?

perhaps I am all wrong...perhaps he wasn't privy to all that was said....

can anyone clear this up for me?....

584 posted on 07/25/2005 9:50:13 PM PDT by cherry
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To: GarySpFc
We know you're convinced Natalee is the little tramp, and Joran is the golden chick magnet who can do no wrong. You don't even know she was drinking the 151 proof shots. Hint, hint, the golden boy is a sociopath.

Hint, hint, I never said Joran was a golden boy and I never said Natalee was a tramp. Stop putting words in my mouth taht I didn't say.

Did a PI say that Natalee was drinking shots of 151? YES or NO? As far as I am concerned that may be another unsubstantiated rumor. I have seen some of these so called friends of hers on tv and have been surprised by their smiles in what would seem the wrong places.

I already mentioned that for each statement made there is one to contradict it. Very odd.

There have been so many statements/rumors that do not pass the smell test.

Don't bother posting to me if all you can do is invent words to put in my mouth that I didn't say.

585 posted on 07/25/2005 9:52:29 PM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't begin and stop with the other person.)
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To: GarySpFc

Bundy strangled his victims or bludgeoned them to death. I have never heard about him cutting even one throat. He decapitated several after they were dead and placed their heads above ground.


586 posted on 07/25/2005 9:55:14 PM PDT by onyx ((Vicksburg, MS)) Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: GarySpFc
I think Ripper's point is that we shouldn't be fooling ourselves that there was "responsible" drinking .....maybe we should understand the nature of the trip......

OT....right outside my window tonite there must be a dozen coyotes howling.....such a sound....they seem like they're about 100 yards away......

587 posted on 07/25/2005 9:55:20 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Jrabbit

I think there is major CYA going on with the so called chaperones (misnomer in this case), and the friends.


588 posted on 07/25/2005 9:55:22 PM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't begin and stop with the other person.)
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To: cherry

I suppose no t all people in the group(s) heard all the conversations from that night. I would think the biggest thing is the conversation between Charlie Croes and others that was in a foreign language. Jug is probably hoping that that would be translated. I can't blame him for that and I have wondered if CC didn't translate for Beth, then why didn't Beth asked about what was said, and if she did, why didn't he tell her? Because I get the impression that he didn't tell her what was said.


589 posted on 07/25/2005 9:59:21 PM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't begin and stop with the other person.)
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To: truthluva

Nite sweetie.


590 posted on 07/25/2005 9:59:46 PM PDT by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: looois

Here is a link to the case I think Looois is referring to:

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,12009056%255E1702,00.html

Looois is right...very interesting parallels here.

This murder took place on Norfolk Island, which is related to Pitcairn. Article interesting as it explores the island mentality with regard to an outside investigative corps coming in and 'tarnishing' their reputation:

http://sunday.ninemsn.com.au/sunday/cover_stories/article_1586.asp


591 posted on 07/25/2005 10:00:18 PM PDT by Mama25
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To: TAquinas

Pardon me? First I've heard that Jug Twitty adopted Natalee, making him her legal father. Wow, on TV they keep referring to him as her stepfather and neither he nor Beth correct the mistake. Maybe he FORGOT he adopted Natalee! Sorry for the sarcasm...couldn't resist it. The whole point is the tragic disappearance of their daughter, stepdaughter, niece, whatever the relationship.


592 posted on 07/25/2005 10:01:25 PM PDT by IIntense
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To: cherry

He wasn't privy to the conversation that was conducted in papiamento. And I bet that isn't going to be in the transcript!


593 posted on 07/25/2005 10:01:49 PM PDT by Mama25
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To: Rippersnapper

perhaps that's it.....the cops and Sloot talked in their native Pamolive????? language and Jug wants to know what they said....


594 posted on 07/25/2005 10:03:58 PM PDT by cherry
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To: GarySpFc

I just read this on aruba.com:


Author: Aruba is Great! (162.71.232.---)
Date: 07-25-05 02:16

Just want to give a shout out to the wonderful
people down in Aruba.

I for one think it is commendable for Aruba to put up this discussion board to talk about Natalee Holloway!

I would also like to assure the Arubans on this board that American's have kind feelings for them and have only heard wonderful reports on the citizens of Aruba.

The criticism most of us have made in this matter is not directed at your country in general but at police chief Van Der Straten.

We are concerned about the conflict of interest he had in this case which required the investigation of his best friend's son.
His 10 day delay in collecting evidence, searching the homes and cars of the three main suspects may result in this case never being solved.

He had no problem with "rushing in like a cowboy" when they arrested the two security guards or leaking to the press that they were linked to some bloody mattress. As it turns out, their only crime was being poor while black.

Now on to my main question that I hope one of our Aruban friends might be able to answer.

Is Aruba's Low Crime Rate an Urban Myth?

The statement that Aruba has a low crime rate has become an almost daily mantra. So I decided to check for myself.

I was amazed to find that no statistics are available and it seems like they haven't been published for years. I wonder if they even keep statistics? If they are going to market their island to tourists with the claim that it is much safer there than other Caribbean locations, shouldn't they make these statistics available?

If there are crime statistics I wonder if our Aruban readers could make them available.

If there are no crime statistics being collected. I really think that Arubans should impress upon their government the need to have them.

Thanks
Love & Peace
Out


Joe


595 posted on 07/25/2005 10:05:07 PM PDT by toldyou
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To: cherry
I think Ripper's point is that we shouldn't be fooling ourselves that there was "responsible" drinking .....maybe we should understand the nature of the trip......

That is correct. Thank you. CnC's is a sleazy joint where getting bombed is expected and dances depicting sexual positions takes place. Sounds like a gerat place! /sarcasm

OT....right outside my window tonite there must be a dozen coyotes howling.....such a sound....they seem like they're about 100 yards away......

Now that would be eerie. (at least to me)

Something else OT. It takes two to tango. I have seen plenty of bimbos over the years. Let's also not kid ourselves into thinking that only the boys are responsible for events that occur to our teens. Parents need to guide their gals as well.

596 posted on 07/25/2005 10:08:27 PM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't begin and stop with the other person.)
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To: cherry
I think Ripper's point is that we shouldn't be fooling ourselves that there was "responsible" drinking .....maybe we should understand the nature of the trip......

We have been down this road many times with Ripper previously. She does mental gynmanstics to slant the case against Natalee and in favor of Joran, because she has a son who lives his life like Joran.
597 posted on 07/25/2005 10:09:33 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: toldyou
He had no problem with "rushing in like a cowboy" when they arrested the two security guards or leaking to the press that they were linked to some bloody mattress. As it turns out, their only crime was being poor while black.

The bloody mattress was linked to them? What was the explanation about that? Anyone?

598 posted on 07/25/2005 10:12:39 PM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't begin and stop with the other person.)
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To: GarySpFc; gingersnaps
We have been down this road many times with Ripper previously. She does mental gynmanstics to slant the case against Natalee and in favor of Joran, because she has a son who lives his life like Joran.

You can't even keep your dirty lies straight. I had spoken about my STEP BROTHER and was pointing out how not everyone that is good looking, had good grades, parties a lot and attracted good looking gals was a sociopath.

I am asking the questions that most will NOT ask because their bias gets in the way. I have said before that I think Joran is involved, but to what degree is the big question.

599 posted on 07/25/2005 10:17:03 PM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't begin and stop with the other person.)
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To: Rippersnapper

I apologize for confusing you with Gingersnaps.


600 posted on 07/25/2005 10:19:23 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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