[GarySpFc]

I think Ripper's point is that we shouldn't be fooling ourselves that there was "responsible" drinking .....maybe we should understand the nature of the trip......

We have been down this road many times with Ripper previously. She does mental gynmanstics to slant the case against Natalee and in favor of Joran, because she has a son who lives his life like Joran.

[Rippersnapper]

We have been down this road many times with Ripper previously. She does mental gynmanstics to slant the case against Natalee and in favor of Joran, because she has a son who lives his life like Joran.

You can't even keep your dirty lies straight. I had spoken about my STEP BROTHER and was pointing out how not everyone that is good looking, had good grades, parties a lot and attracted good looking gals was a sociopath.

I am asking the questions that most will NOT ask because their bias gets in the way. I have said before that I think Joran is involved, but to what degree is the big question.

[Mama25]

Um, Gary...I think it's gingersnaps who is sympathetic to Joran because of her son, not rippersnapper.

[gingersnaps]

She does mental gynmanstics to slant the case against Natalee and in favor of Joran, because she has a son who lives his life like Joran.

Garbage.

Please show the world any posts where I have ever written a word "against Natalee."

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You won't be able to. Because I never have.

Gary, you need to get your facts straight before you go trying to convince people on this board that you have expertise at diagnosing "sociopathy," or special insight into this case.

I noticed that you posted something factually wrong about about the m.o. of infamous sociopath Ted Bundy -- and that another FReeper caught you at it.

How much stock should we put in your professed expertise on sociopathy when you get facts like that wrong?
- And when you claim that I've made posts "slanted" "against Natalee" (and confuse me with Rippersnapper, to boot; see post #600) --when I've done no such thing ?
- And when you continue to insist that "Joran is a SOCIOPATH," when you have absolutely zero reliably documented evidence to do so?

As for those of you who jump to the illogical conclusion that somehow, because I've seen teenaged-boy-behavior at close hand, that makes me unduly "sympathetic" to Joran vdS...even to the point of being "blinded" (and less capable viewing facts "objectively" than those of you who have already tried, convicted, and hanged Joran vdS): I send a salty sneeze in your general direction.

My point in posting about my son was to show, as Rippersnapper rightly put it, that "not everyone that is good looking, had good grades, parties a lot and attracted good looking gals was a sociopath." And mixing in a steaming heap o' rumors and malicious gossip does not build an accurate profile of anyone.

And that reminds me, Gary, that I asked you if you had dealt with teenaged boys like Joran in the recent past? Either as a parent, or in some other capacity? I never did see an answer from you to that.

People who claim special expertise and educated insight into this case, please post your credentials. (And if you've done so already, please direct me to those posts.)