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Can we rid the world of this cult of death and destruction?
RealClearPolitics.com ^ | Frederick J. Chiaventone

Posted on 07/23/2005 5:24:23 PM PDT by F14 Pilot

If the problem of Islamic-inspired terrorism wasn't painfully obvious before, the London bombings have driven home the point yet again. In the West our contact with murderous acts of terrorism supposedly in the name of Islam has been relatively limited but dramatic nonetheless.

In all of the furor, the constant stream of reports--from London, Madrid, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Iraq--of dead, injured, kidnapped, terrorized and brutalized populations, it is easy to be overcome by the horror, easy to forget that the fight against Islamo-fascism is a necessary, even mandatory struggle.

As pleasant, as liberating, as it might seem to be able to wash our hands of the entire business, withdraw our troops, retire behind our borders and let the world go its own way, it won't happen.

We cannot do it.

We cannot afford to do it.

The world cannot afford the luxury of ignorance. The war against terrorism is a war to the death. For the self-anointed leadership of Islamo-terrorism, there are no neutrals and that, quite frankly, is the essential reason for our complete opposition and tireless resistance.

Whatever claims may be made by Osama bin Laden or Abu Musab al-Zarqawi or their ilk, there is not a single person or idea not encompassed by their very limited and perverted screed who is held harmless or sacred--Christian, Jew, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, it matters not--if an individual or a society does not accede to and embrace with fanatic enthusiasm the convoluted and medieval Wahabist interpretation of Islam, he or she is not entitled to life or liberty. It is that simple. And that urgent.

The increased tempo of terrorist operations--heightened as Iraq and Afghanistan draw ever further away from the enervating clutches of the fanatics--is indication of how very desperately the opposition fears democracy and religious freedom and tolerance. The very nature of the targets selected by the terrorists indicate their very real fear that they are losing the war. They have already lost the hearts, minds and sympathies of the vast majority of the civilized world.

But with every new act of terror, al-Zarqawi, bin Laden and their minions demonstrate how truly they have misread human nature. The Spaniards were deterred from their commitment to Iraq by the horrendous bombings in Madrid, but not so the British. Not so the Americans. Not so the Saudis. Not so the Afghanis or the Iraqis--Sunnis or Shiites. If anything, the terrorists' strategy to deliberately target the innocent in an effort to derail the society at large and thus paralyze the war effort, has not only failed--it has backfired.

Americans have taken the war to the very heart of the enemy's territory. The British have shaken their fists defiantly at the murderers among us and determined, with typical British aplomb, to carry on. Even the Spanish, initially deterred by the horrific violence inflicted on their citizens, have become relentless in their pursuit of the predatory murderers who have infiltrated Spanish society.

Do not be misled or cowed by the remarks of Omar Bakri Mohammed, the England-based sheik who blames the West for provoking the attacks. Do not be dispirited by the inflammatory rhetoric of Anjem Choudary, a lawyer and Islamic activist who claims, from the relative safety of his home in England, that there is more horror to come. Do not be dissuaded by the rantings of the father of suicidal hijacker Mohamed Atta, who vows a 50-year war against the West.

All of these people--the bin Ladens, the Attas, the al-Zarqawis--are failed human beings. Their belief system is corrupt, empty and vindictive in the extreme. What they label as Islam is about as far from true Islamic beliefs and practices as snake-handling is from Christianity. They are an anomaly.

As evidenced by the outpouring of outrage, not only in Great Britain and the United States but in Muslim populations throughout the world, the terrorists have done nothing but prove to the world that they are anathema to civil society. If there were ever any doubts before, there are none now. The Islamo-fascists have done their utmost to prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that they are at war with the world. No pseudo-religious sect with such extreme and inflexible views should ever be allowed to hold sway over the world at large. The actions of Al Qaeda and its Iraqi, Saudi, Syrian and Jordanian associates are purely destructive--assassination, kidnapping and murder of diplomats, policemen, soldiers, journalists, teachers, statesmen, scholars, Imams. The world that they would impose on us is as dark and repressive as any ever dreamed of by Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge or Adolf Hitler's Nazis.

In some ways the Islamo-fascists are their own worst enemies for, just as we are beginning to weary of the grind and drain of war, they commit inhuman outrages such as to ensure that we do not forget what this entire war is about. They remind us that this is a war we cannot afford to lose--none of us.


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21 posted on 07/23/2005 6:40:06 PM PDT by SJackson (On the second try, I got that jug off [the bear's head], but then I had a bear tied to a tree)
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To: lightman

What are we waiting for?


22 posted on 07/23/2005 6:56:01 PM PDT by skyhawk9211 (skyhawk921 ( Semper FI - Marine Air))
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To: F14 Pilot

If you can wean our politicans off petrol dollars graft maybe..

If you could get the money out of the hands of the murderers
maybe...

Good luck


23 posted on 07/23/2005 7:54:29 PM PDT by joesnuffy (The state always has solutions to the problems it creates...more freedom will never be a solution)
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To: SeaBiscuit
perverted "convoluted and medieval Wahabist interpretation of Islam".

You mean THIS "perverted" version?

KORAN [3.28] Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends rather than believers; and whoever does this, he shall have nothing of (the guardianship of) Allah, but you should guard yourselves against them, guarding carefully; and Allah makes you cautious of (retribution from) Himself; and to Allah is the eventual coming.

KORAN [4.34] Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.

KORAN [4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

KORAN [9.28] O you who believe! the idolaters are nothing but unclean, so they shall not approach the Sacred Mosque [Mecca] after this year; and if you fear poverty then Allah will enrich you out of His grace if He please; surely Allah is Knowing Wise. (NOTE: Tancredo option would make Muhammad a liar.)
KORAN [9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
KORAN [9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair [Ezra] is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:176] Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight wi the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:177] Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:56:791] Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The Jews will fight with you, and you will be given victory over them so that a stone will say, 'O Muslim! There is a Jew behind me; kill him!' "

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6981] Ibn 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
You will fight against the Jews and you will kill them until even a stone would say: Come here, Muslim, there is a Jew (hiding himself behind me); kill him.

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6982] Ubaidullah has reported this hadith with this chain of transmitters (and the Words are):
"There is a Jew behind me."

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6983] Abdullah b. 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
You and the Jews would fight against one another until a stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; come and kill him.

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6984] Abdullah b. 'Umar reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said:
The Jews will fight against you and you will gain victory over them until the stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; kill him.

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6985] Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:283] Narrated Abu Juhaifa:
I asked Ali, "Do you have the knowledge of any Divine Inspiration besides what is in Allah's Book?" 'Ali replied, "No, by Him Who splits the grain of corn and creates the soul. I don't think we have such knowledge, but we have the ability of understanding which Allah may endow a person with, so that he may understand the Qur'an, and we have what is written in this paper as well." I asked, "What is written in this paper?" He replied, "(The regulations of) blood-money, the freeing of captives, ******** and the judgment that no Muslim should be killed for killing an infidel." *********

HADITH Sunan Abu Dawud [14:2526] Narrated Anas ibn Malik:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Three things are the roots of faith: to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, "There is no god but Allah" and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits, and not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action; and jihad will be performed continuously since the day Allah sent me as a prophet until the day the last member of my community will fight with the Dajjal (Antichrist). The tyranny of any tyrant and the justice of any just (ruler) will not invalidate it. One must have faith in Divine decree.

KORAN: http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/koran/
HADITH: http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/reference/searchhadith.html
24 posted on 07/23/2005 8:08:07 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: F14 Pilot

Yet another voice trying to tell us that the terrorists are not practicing "true" Islam, which is sweet and peaceful, tolerant and neighborly.


25 posted on 07/23/2005 8:14:07 PM PDT by Graymatter
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To: F14 Pilot
Would anybody miss the Muslims? If some magical disease that only killed followers of Islam manifested itself and wiped every last one of them out would it really be a great loss to humanity?

Islam is unique among civilizations in the fact that it has actually devolved over time. It was more civilized and prosperous 1000 years ago! While at one time Islam was an intellectual and scientific culture, in modern times it lists only the suicide belt and world-wide poverty as its most far-reaching contributions to humanity. Go Islam!

26 posted on 07/23/2005 8:21:35 PM PDT by Drew68 (IYAOYAS! Semper Gumby!)
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To: Drew68
Islam is unique among civilizations in the fact that it has actually devolved over time. It was more civilized and prosperous 1000 years ago!

I don't know if it's unique in that -- look at Rome from the time of Jesus to around 500 -- but it has devolved. When Ferdinand and Isabella kicked the Jews out of Spain in 1492, it was the Ottoman Empire that welcomed them (including at least one of my ancestors) with open arms. ones.

And maybe that's why Turkey continues to be a reasonably free nation, when so much of the rest of the Muslim world is not.

In any case, it's only in the last couple of hundred years that Christian nations have generally been friendlier to Jews than Muslim.

27 posted on 07/23/2005 8:34:28 PM PDT by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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To: umgud

The crusaders had the will, but we have the way.


Right!
May 1096 Crusaders massacred the Jews of Worms. Before embarking on the First Crusade. The town's Roman Catholic Bishop tried to protect the Jewish population, but the Crusaders overran his palace and slaughtered some 500 people who had taken shelter there.
Dec 1098 The 1st Crusaders captured and plundered Mara, Syria
Jan 1099 Crusaders set fire to Mara, Syria
Jul 1099 Jerusalem fell to the crusaders who slaughtered the Jewish and Muslim inhabitants. The dead numbered about 3,000.
May 1110 Crusaders capture Beirut slaughter inhabitants
Mar 1190 The Crusades began the massacre of Jews in York, England
Aug 1191 King Richard I (1157-1199), Coeur de Lion (the "Lionheart"), executes some 2,700-3,000 Muslim prisoners in Acre (Akko).
Nov 1202 The Fourth Crusade sacks Zara. The leaders of the Fourth Crusade agreed to sack Zara (present-day Zadar, Croatia)--a rival of Venice--as payment for transportation the Venetians supplied the crusaders. Zara, previously part of the Venetian republic, had rebelled against Venice in 1186 and since allied itself with Hungary, posing competition to Venice’s maritime trade.
Apr 1204 The Fourth Crusade, led by Boniface of Montferrat, sacked Constantinople.


28 posted on 07/23/2005 8:37:41 PM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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To: F14 Pilot

The problem here is that we can do the following: win the hearts of the world; win the battle of armies, win the logistical arguements; but still lose. The way we can lose is via Islamic Nukes. What victory will there be if we lose London, New York, Los Angeles and Paris ? The main emphasis now should be on preventing and removing nukes from Islamic hands. There is absolutely NO reason the Free World should tolerate Nuclear Weapons in the hands of religious extremists. Pakistan and Iran should be next. I suggest multiple invasions from Iraq and India. Primary targets are Pakistani Nukes, Iranian Nuclear Sites, Islamic Terrorist Camps and Violent Islamic Religious Leaders. The 'peace at all costs' crowd certainly wont be able to cry that there is no connection between Iran or Pakistan and terrorists. They certainly wont be able to cry that there is no WMD in Pakistan.


29 posted on 07/23/2005 8:39:24 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: SeaBiscuit

They are. Can/should they do more? Absolutly.
You just have to look.


30 posted on 07/23/2005 8:43:21 PM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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To: Valin

Your forgot to mention the 'Childrens Crusade'. Perhaps in a few centuries peoples of the world will also here about the atrocities our decendants had to make to stop the islamic terror. Like for example the innocent who was executed yesterday on a British Subway Train. The main difference between the old Christians and the old Islamics is that Christians have learned much from their past. Islamic Extremists have learned very little.


31 posted on 07/23/2005 8:46:38 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: F14 Pilot

The Russians handled them decades ago by cutting the fingers off the family members of people who used terror on their citizens. Also killed some to send a message.

The moon god cult respected that.


32 posted on 07/23/2005 8:49:55 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: justa-hairyape

The main difference between the old Christians and the old Islamics is that Christians have learned much from their past. Islamic Extremists have learned very little.


Agree.


33 posted on 07/23/2005 8:53:22 PM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

Did you notice I used quotes, those were the authors words, as he seems to believe that terrorism and terrorists are compromised entirely from that particular "convoluted and medieval Wahabist interpretation of Islam". Not I.


34 posted on 07/23/2005 9:34:51 PM PDT by SeaBiscuit (God Bless all who defend America and Friends, the rest can go to hell.)
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To: F14 Pilot

The only way we can rid the world of this scourge is to attack the root, not the branches. Wipe out Islam at it's source, Mecca and prove that Mohammad was not a prophet and the war is over. Keep putting out brush fires and we just grow weary.

It is high time to threaten to invade and sack Mecca if this continues.


35 posted on 07/23/2005 10:49:24 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: SeaBiscuit

I noticed, quoted and singled out your word "perverted".
Then I simply listed scriptures.


36 posted on 07/24/2005 7:46:57 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: F14 Pilot
there is not a single person or idea not encompassed by their very limited and perverted screed who is held harmless or sacred--Christian, Jew, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, it matters not--if an individual or a society does not accede to and embrace with fanatic enthusiasm the convoluted and medieval Wahabist interpretation of Islam, he or she is not entitled to life or liberty. It is that simple. And that urgent.

This should be repeated everywhere so that we understand our enemy.

37 posted on 07/24/2005 8:01:30 AM PDT by fella (In law nothing is certain but the expense. - S. Butler)
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To: Dark Skies
But if Islam is Satanic...doubtful it can be eliminated without a cosmic battle of the first order.

Hmm, a cosmic battle of the first order ... with a volunteer Army?

As they used to say in the muffler commercial, that's a tuffy!

38 posted on 07/24/2005 9:31:16 AM PDT by iconoclast ( "Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive")
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To: iconoclast
As they used to say in the muffler commercial, that's a tuffy!

Don't tell me you would think terrorism can be managed back to the level of nuisance?

The guys that buy tickets to paradise by killing innocents would disagree with you.

39 posted on 07/24/2005 9:39:42 AM PDT by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: Valin
With 1.1 billion Muslims across the world, they themselves must do something to help cleanse society of this perverted "convoluted and medieval Wahabist interpretation of Islam".

You just have to look.

Ok .. I'm lookin.

Can you cite me an example of an American or British Muslim that has blown the whistle on a terrorist?

40 posted on 07/24/2005 9:47:01 AM PDT by iconoclast ( "Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive")
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