Was Joe Wison Himself A "Leak" Source in Revealing Plame's CIA Identity?

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[FReethesheeples]

Could minor Ambassador Joe Wilson himself have been the source in blowing his own Wife's "cover" (even if she had not been a covert CIA agent at the time of the alleged "leaks")?

It is distinctly possible, (though it may be unlikely that Joe Wilson himself directly was NY Times Judith Miller's source), since Joe Wilson himself evidently routinely bragged openly to strangers about her CIA employment, prior to such "cover" being "blown" in the press.

Here's an example of Joe's apparently routine and open bragging about Valerie being a "CIA agent," which became known directly to me over a year ago:

He certainly bragged about it per a famous and highly reliable source's (named below) account of his own face-to-face encounter with Amb. Joe Wilson prior to Valerie Plame's "outing" as a CIA agent/employee.

Based upon a personal conversation (we were in a small group eating; it was NOT an "off the record") I had with eminent historian Victor Davis Hanson (we were at a luncheon table together during a trip to Europe), it appeared entirely possible that Joe Wilson himself was the (or one source, if not the original one) possible source in revealing his own wife's status as a CIA agent or employee.

Victor Davis Hanson (Wilson presumably knew Victor Davis Hanson wrote regularly for NRO (National Review Online), had done OpEds for the Wall street Journal, and other publications, and had his own Website with a widespread following) said he (VDH) & Joe Wilson were both in the same "Green Room" before a televised debate-discussion on Iraq, etc. and Joe first warned the TV make-up person not to get powder on his $14,000 Rolex watch, then he bragged to Victor about several things (possessions and trips to Aspen, etc.), like his expensive car (I think it was a Mercedes), and then bragged about his beautiful ("hot") wife who, Joe Wilson said (braggingly) was a CIA operative.

I asked Victor Davis Hanson Why he didn't write up this account.(?) He replied that Joe Wilson would probably simply deny it, since only he (VDH) & Joe Wilson were in the Green Room together before the broadcast.

However, it is now easy to surmise that Joe Wilson is a crass, materialistic, self-promoting, vain, egotistical, bragaddocio-opportunist, so this account is perfectly consistent with Valerie Plame's TWO photo shoots in Vanity Fair.

[FReethesheeples]

So Valerie Plame was quite possibly (nd perhaps quite probably)the primary source of her own non-"outing"?

Wow! Makes sense or is at least internally consistent, is it not, thus far, with what we may (or may not) know.

Great and plausible story. Thanks for the illuminating contribution!

[Checkers]

"Was Joe Wison Himself A "Leak" Source in Revealing Plame's CIA Identity?"

Yes

[FReethesheeples]

LOL!

[FReethesheeples]

I agree, most likely, re: poor judgement in marrying Joe Wilson, at least.

[agincourt1415]

I'm sorry Wilson's wife is not hot.

And a Mercedes is the equivalent of a Chevy in Germany.

[FReethesheeples]

I salute your intuition re: Plame & Wilson doingthier own "outing."

Thus far, it (this hypothesis) seems ot hold water, with the limited amoount of public knowledge to date.

Bravo!

[Eva]

If you get the chance, could ask V.D. Hanson if there could be a possible connection between Elias Aburdene (of Rock Creek Enterprises) and the terrorist supporting Muslim organisation that Judith Miller is in trouble for possibly warning of the raid by the Homeland Security people? Wilson worked/works for Rock Creek. He claims to be in business for himself but his office is still within their office, his email is still on their server and all his business is as a go between for Rock Creek.

[FReethesheeples]

Good point at # 16, NormsRevenge.

[NavySEAL F-16]

What's the approximate date of the conversation between VDH and Joe Wilson?

[goodnesswins]

Yeah, and I'd like to see Plame FRY for that.

[FReethesheeples]

Thanks for verifying my Post, Checkers.

You're THE "Fact-Checker," my friend Checkers!

(& We have Check-mated a conspiracy; well not quite yet, but we can hope, can't we?)

[FReethesheeples]

Lol:

Re:

"I'm sorry Wilson's wife is not hot. [TAS you know, this was a reported description (approximately, if not exactly) of Joe Wilson's reported description, not mine of course]
And a Mercedes is the equivalent of a Chevy in Germany."

Thanks for your humorous comments.

[Wild Irish Rogue]

" Anybody:

HAS JOE WILSON EVER TESTIFIED UNDER OATH TO THE GRAND JURY? "

Usually those who have received target letters don't- I can't find any documentation that Wilson has testified.
Hmmm....

[Checkers]

My pleasure:

Check (no pun intended) this out: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1444282/posts

[FReethesheeples]

Rock Creek (Park} has many buried bodies, I would venture to guess.

Prof. Hanson probably doesn't have the first hand knowledge of this enterprise (he' on the West Cost & on the international lecture circuit), etc., but please feel free contact him directly for all of us.

Thanks.

[FReethesheeples]

Interesting connection, though.

Possibly deserves (and is evidently already receiving) scrutiny by Homeland Security, CIA, and the FBI, if what you say is accurate, which subject matter you know far better than I.

Thanks for the comments.

[FormerACLUmember]

Wilson is certainly a prime suspect as the source of the supposed leaks. Joe Wilson IS Tommy Flanagan, the Pathological Liar (played by Jon Lovitz on SNL):

Announcer: And now, a message from Pathological Liars Anonymous.

Joe Wilson: Hello, my name is Joe Wilson, and I'm a member of Pathological Liars Anonymous. In fact.. I'm the president of the organization! I didn't always lie. No, when I was a kid, I told the truth. But then one day, I got caught stealing money out of my mother's purse. I lied. I told her it was homework -that my teacher told me to do it. And she got fired! Yeah, that's what happened! After that, lying was easy for me.

I lied about my age and joined the army. I was thirteen at the time. Yeah.. I went to Vietnam, and I was injured catching a mortar shell in my teeth. And they made me a three-star general! And then I got a job in journalism, writing for the National Enquire.. er, Geographic! Yeah.. I was making twenty thousand a ye.. month! In fact, I won the Pulitzer Prize that year! Yeah, that's the ticket.

And then my cousin died - Joe Louis - and I took it hard. Maybe too hard - I tried to kill myself. Yeahh.. I did kill myself! Sure! I was medically dead for a week and a half! It was a woman that brought me out of it - Indira Gandhi! Yeah, right.. And she told me about Pathological Liars Anonymous. Oh, you'd be surprised how many famous people belong. In fact.. at one of the meetings I met my wife - Morgan Fairchild! Yes, I'm a change man now, and all because of Pathological Liars Anonymous. Why, I - I even have my picture on the cover of Newsweek magazine. Yeah. Every day! Yeah.. that's the ticket! Yeah, you betcha!

[FReethesheeples]

Res ipsa loquitur.

If its treason she committed, I'd agree. Short of that, I demur. (I think thats the word.)

[FReethesheeples]

WHY wouldn't the Grand Jury summon Wilson himself?

[FReethesheeples]

Thank for your humorous but perceptive comments:

Wilson may be a bit of a pathological liar.

He certainly has lied --- BIG TIME!

(As the Senate Intelligence Report documented, and as Sen. Roberts, Chm. of the Senate Intelligence Committee, has recently stated on the floor of the Senate:

Joe Wilson has lied about some very material things.)