Izapa Stela No. 5. OLMEC.
Posted on 06/20/2005 3:27:04 PM PDT by blam
Scientists are taking a new look at an old and controversial idea: that ancient Polynesians sailed to Southern California a millennium before Christopher Columbus landed on the East Coast. Key new evidence comes from two directions. The first involves revised carbon-dating of an ancient ceremonial headdress used by Southern California's Chumash Indians. The second involves research by two California scientists who suggest that a Chumash word for "sewn-plank canoe" is derived from a Polynesian word for the wood used to construct the same boat.
(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...
Oh! If you were cool in Hawaii, you should visit Guam. They'd love you in Guam.
I loved the Chamorros as well, but they kind of turned when I married a haole. Oh well!
Please note that the "Europeans" made lots of exploratory voyages (meaning some returned to Europe) before there was any colonization. The ones who followed the early explorers rarely came back to the same place as their predecessors, unless you count the whole of North and South America as one place. Hawaii is just to small a target to hit from a couple of thousand miles away.
ML/NJ
They're not the little things Boy Scouts paddle around in on lakes; they're upwards of 20 meters long. That's plenty of room to take an entire family and supplies, including livestock, on long voyages.
I'm not sure what I resent more about this comment. I wonder if it's the ability to believe that all women are so weak or that there couldn't possibly be civilizations in the world where men and women were physically capable to pull off such a feat. By the way, have you ever met a Polynesian woman before? Just curious!
http://jqjacobs.net/mesoamerica/izapa.html
Shows 2 Mesoamerican stelle reliefs of Phoenician ocean voyagers, Tree of Life (Palm) and Pyramids.
Phoenician Ships
http://www.cedarland.org/ships.html
The earliest evidence for Phoenician ships comes from an Egyptian relief of around 1400 BC at the tomb of Kenamon at Thebes which shows Phoenician ships unloading in an Egyptian port. The vessels have much in common with contemporary Egyptian ships, especially in the mast, rigging, sickle shaped hull and straight rising stem and stern posts, and deck beams projecting through the hull just below the sheerstrake.
http://www.mariner.org/educationalad/ageofex/arab.php
The Arabian Peninsula is a desert environment with few trees and little water. Traders traveled overland in caravans and through the Red Sea and Indian Ocean in ships called dhows. These double-ended ships had lateen sails and carvel construction. They were strong enough to withstand the seasonal monsoons, the storms that swept in from the Indian Ocean. The routes to India and China via the Moluccan Islands were controlled by the Arab fleets from the seventh century through the time of Vasco da Gama's Portuguese exploration of the India Ocean. This monopoly allowed the Arabs to control much of the commerce in silk, spices, and other exotic merchandise.
The invasion into Indian Ocean waters by the Portuguese marked the decline in Arab sea power.
ISLAM LIES ABOUT EVERYTHING.
Johnny had ten pineapples.....
I'm sorry if I offended you. I probably have met some Polynesian women, but since I don't tend to record that sort of thing in my Little Black Book, I'm not sure.
I do not believe women were part of any of the European exploratory voyages. And don't give me that c$^p about "civilizations in the world where men and women were physically capable to pull off such a feat." Did the Polynesian women lose this equal or nearly equal physical ability, or have they just failed to recognize the opportunities that would be open to them if they could compete on even terms with men on the world stage now?
ML/NJ
Izapa Stela No. 5. OLMEC.
...it was/is driven by the "Father of Lies."
Islam is a lie...and those that follow it, follow Lucifer.
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/8919/nama2.htm
Where did the Olmecs come from?
Thanks. Just got back from a walk by the bay with them. Whew, lots of mosquitos tonight.
Romans 1:25
"Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever."
Why Lucifer did. He started the worship of the lie (he is the father of lies)...and the worship of the creature and not the creator.
Until one understands our history (real history)...one is blind to the evil one.
I posted to you as a joke because I read the headline without reading the article or comments. Sorry about that. Some people just refuse to believe that anyone on the planet is at least as smart as they are or, heaven forbid, even smarter.
If we can use his present day Ainu ancestors as a guide, he would be tall, hairy and light skinned. Kennewick Man is 9,300 years old. The oldest (undisputed) Mongoloid skeleton ever found is only 10,000 years old. It is my theory that the Jomon/Ainu dominated large areas of Asia in ancient times and the Caucasians and Mongoloids both are a 'branch' from that line.
By Jeordan Legon CNN
Wednesday, December 4, 2002
The "Peñon Woman III" skull was found near Mexico City International Airport.
(CNN) -- Researchers said it may be the oldest skull ever found in the Americas: an elongated-faced woman who died about 13,000 years ago.
But perhaps more significant than the age, researchers said, is that the skull and other bones were found while a well was being dug near Mexico City International Airport. Because the remains were discovered outside the United States, scientists will be able to study the DNA and structure of the skeleton without the objection of Native American groups, who can claim and rebury ancestral remains under a 1990 U.S. law.
"Here Mexico is providing the opportunity to see what clues these bones can yield about man's arrival in the American continent," Mexican anthropologist Jose Concepcion Jimenez Lopez said.
The oldest skull up to now, believed to be that of "Buhl Woman," was found in 1989 at a gravel quarry in Idaho. Scientists said it dates back 10,500 to 11,000 years. But researchers scarcely studied those bones before the Shoshone-Bannock tribe claimed and reburied them.
The "Peñon Woman III" -- which scientists believe is now the oldest skull from the New World -- has been sitting in Mexico City's National Museum of Anthropology since 1959.
At the insistence of geologist Silvia Gonzalez, who had a hunch that the bones were older than previously thought, the remains were taken to Oxford University to be carbon-dated. And indeed, tests proved Gonzalez's assertion.
Scientists said they believe that the Peñon Woman died anywhere from 12,700 to 13,000 years ago at the age of 27.
Did humans arrive in the Americas by boat?
Emboldened by her finding, Gonzalez will try to prove her theory that the bones of the Peñon Woman belong not to Native Americans, but to descendants of the Ainu people of Japan.
She said she bases her hypothesis on the elongated, narrow shape of the Peñon Woman's skull. Native Americans, she said, are round-faced with broad cheeks. "Quite different from Peñon Woman," she said.
She said she believes descendants of the Ainu people made their way to the New World by island hoping on boats.
"If this proves right, it's going to be quite contentious," said Gonzalez, who teaches at John Moores University in England and received a grant last week from the British government to conduct her research. "We're going to say to Native Americans, 'Maybe there were some people in the Americas before you, who are not related to you.' "
Gonzalez's theory is controversial but gaining credence in scientific circles, where up to now many believed hardy mammoth hunters were first to arrive in the Americas 14,000 to 16,000 years ago by crossing into Alaska from Siberia.
Gonzalez and other scientists said they believe people may have arrived in America as much as 25,000 years ago. She points to evidence of camps -- man-made tools, a human footprint and huts dating back 25,000 years -- that have been found in Chile as evidence of man's imprint on the Americas long before mammoth hunters.
Searching for answers to coastal migration
Gonzalez will embark on a three-year journey to prove her theory. As part of that journey, she will travel to Baja California to study the Pericue (Pericus) people, who shared the same elongated faces of the Peñon Woman. She said she believes that the Pericue, who for unknown reasons went extinct in the 18th century, may hold the answers to coastal migration of man from Asia to America.
The bones of the Peñon Woman will have DNA extracted to compare it with genetic matter of the Pericue, she said. Scientists also said they hope to study clothes fibers found near the skeleton and try to piece together how the woman died. Gonzalez said the skeleton does not show any wounds or obvious injuries.
"We still have a long way to go," she said. "But we have a good start."
The Polynesian islanders were among the first people to navigate the oceans, and they used the stars to guide them. The sun marked their day, but very strict records of stars were kept in order to guide them during the night; this practice started before the dawn of the Christian era -- over 2000 years ago.
Often, the way they would keep track of stars was by creating mythologies around them, much as the Greeks did. For example, the Pleiades (an open cluster), Jupiter, and Aldebaran (a bright red star), are central to the founding story of the polynesian culture.
By using fixed locations on the horizon, sailors memorized hundreds of stars and were able to determine their longitude and latitude to a high accuracy. By memorizing the positions, brightness, colors, and time of year that stars were visible, sailors were equipped to navigate at any time during the year.
From here...
http://home.cwru.edu/~sjr16/advanced/pre20th_ancients_others.html
Latitude-Height of Stars Crossing the Meridian
Latitude is the distance on the earth's surface from the equator. It is given in degrees north or south of the equator (One degree of latitude equals 60 nautical miles; each degree contains sixty minutes; one latitude minute equals one nautical mile.)
One strategy of locating an island without navigational instruments is called lattitude sailing. It involves sailing to the latitude of an island, preferrably upwind, then searching for the island along that latitude. For this strategy to work, the navigator must be able to tell when he is at the latitude of the island. The navigator can make a rough estimate from his dead reckoning, but there are more precise methods to determine latitude without instruments.
From here...
http://pvs.kcc.hawaii.edu/navigate/latitude.html
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