Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2

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[stlnative]

FR Natalee Holloway Threads...

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts?q=1&&page=1#1

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts?q=1&&page=1#1

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923

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FR Quick Ping List (copy & paste) - active posters to the thread
(there is no real ping list - I really do not have one and I do not plan to make one)
Andy'smom;bonfire;brigette;kcvl;maggiefluffs;No Surrender No Retreat;Palladin;Rippersnapper;sarasota;TexKat;theophilusscribe

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Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

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PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

 

[TexKat]

Did anyone notice O'Reilly's power trips tonight on Greta and Alan?

Yes I did, but Alan put BOR in his place in a nice professional manner.

I use to like O'Reilly, even purchased one of his books once.

But the more I watched his show, the more I would catch him not knowing what the hell he was talking about, just spouting off.

[onyx]

Very clever. As though he's had previous experience.

[Rippersnapper]

Something about her just doesn't sit right w/me.

Me either. She knew Natalee's class ranking of 25th our of 300, and mentined Natalee's awards and talked about how they all studied hard.

[onyx]

I know. Getting into a car with THREE young men she just met... no, that doesn't sound realistic. Even 35 years ago, I only got into the car of the one young man, and I felt altogether comfortable, except that the car had right seat driving. (British). I can truly remember thinking "if Ihave to jump out, I'll land in the middle of the road."

[shhrubbery!]

Geeesh, the speculation here is just getting ridiculous, IMO.

Every day we get these wildly unreliable "reports" -- e.g., the Dutch kid sas "anger management issues" (does that psychobabble make anybody else besides me cringe?) -- the Dutch kid confessed -- the Dutch kid is leading police to Natalee's body.

Well, those last two "reports" turned out to be dead wrong. Who knows if the first --or any other "reports" we hear-- are true?

And then there's the assumption out there that the three teens MUST have lied about dropping Natalee off at the hotel -- because security cameras didn't pick up on any such event.

Then we hear other "reports" that the cameras involved were not capable of picking up all possible activity in the hotel entrance area. But, NEVER MIND! --it's much more fun to ignore that "report" and stick with the "boys are lying" version of events.

I'll be honest: Like everybody else who clicks on this kind of thread, I'm curious and caught up in the intrigue.

And like practically everybody else, I thought this Joran van der Sloot was probably Aruba's version of Robert Chambers, the "yuppie murderer."

But now I'm not so sure. There's WAAAAAAAAAY too much misinformation and pure, uninformed speculation out there.

This subject as a news story has degenerated into irresponsible infotainment.

You know what we FReepers should be focusing our considerable energies on? Issues such as ELECTOMAGNETIC PULSE BOMBS (EMP) --launched by some rogue state such as North Korea-- potentially ending life as we know it in our beloved country.

Were that to happen --and EMP bomb technology is quite likely being developed in many rogue states-- there would be no more Free Republic! And even worse (though that may be hard for us FR addicts to admit), unless something is done to shield vital computer circuitry, we'll likely have mass chaos: No power, no water, no commerce, no food supply, and precious little transportation. Thousands if not millions of Americans could perish within a few weeks or months after an EMP attack.

Isn't that the kind of issues we FReepers (including me) should be talking about, and putting pressure on our government to deal with?

Not Natalee Holloway. There's very little we can do for her here. God bless her and her parents, and I pray that she's found alive, but it's really silly for us here to get so wrapped up in what amounts to wild, and purposeless, speculation.

And while we allow ourselves to be so distracted, the terror states of the world are plotting away.

[ / rant]

[TexKat]

But today he nailed Alan Colmes for repeating the "Runaway Grad" baloney and other "blame the victim and her family" scenarios that the locals are attempting to build into a defense for Aruba and Joran van der Slimeball

No he did not. BOR just made a bellowing fool of himself as usual. Evidently you did not notice that BOR cooled down a bit after Alan treated and corrected him in a professional manner.

[Toskrin]

I don't know why but I think this is a legitimate email from Kalpoe.

In it, he writes:

so after like 10 min my friend is telling me that natalee fell asleep i said you kidding just wake her up

My guess is that everything before this sentence is the truth, and everything after it is a lie. They couldn't wake her up. It seems way off that the girl would just "fall asleep" while making out in the back seat.

[looney tune]

Bump! So I can find this thread later.

[Rippersnapper]

As for for natalees parents we did not hear or see them personally yet , the police chief askes us if we would be willing to talk to them if they wanted to talk to us . We accepted that as long they would not talk aggressive to us as they did before.

As for for natalees parents we did not hear or see them personally yet , the police chief askes us if we would be willing to talk to them if they wanted to talk to us . We accepted that as long they would not talk aggressive to us as they did before.

But, he just said they haven't spoke or met with them personally yet, but says they were aggressive before? How is that??? He can't even keep his lies straight in one paragraph.

[af_vet_1981]

So are we now to believe that the two guys who were first tagged (the security guards) and arrested still believed to be involved in Natalee's disappearance? Did I understand you correctly?

No

I pointed out that O'Reilly is not the final source of facts. In this case there seems to be alot of information that flowed from the Three Perps but not very much from official sources.

[devolve]

Not familiar with Fantasy Islands, USA

But the political news we get from there plus the radical liberals at the universities gives us some hint of the problems

A shame such a beautiful tate is so tainted

[TexKat]

But, he just said they haven't spoke or met with them personally yet, but says they were aggressive before? How is that??? He can't even keep his lies straight in one paragraph

Although that statement was written in one sentence and separated by a comma, I believe that he is referring to talking again with LE and not Natalees parents.

[monkeywrench]

"But the more I watched his show, the more I would catch him not knowing what the hell he was talking about, just spouting off."

That became really obvious during the Vietnam Vets for truth period. He wasn't even interested in the truth, just protecting his position.

[TexKat]

Dave Hollaway, Natalee's father stating on Fox News that they LE will be pulling in 9 to 10 more witnesses.

[TexKat]

A possibility that one of the parents might be involved. Dave Holloway stated that this parent developed amnesia all of a sudden.

[Rippersnapper]

From the link

Ben Miller, a classmate of Holloway's, said he later saw her leave Carlos 'N Charlie's, where tourists dance on tables and gulp neon-colored cocktails, with Kalpoe, 21, and his brother Satish, 18.


But the brothers disagreed on details such as who had paid for their drinks, and who got separated from whom at Carlos 'N Charlie's before meeting back at the car. They differed on whether van der Sloot brushed Holloway off or danced with her. They said van der Sloot asked her where she was staying, though witnesses said the two had met at her hotel. Yet despite the inconsistencies, they remained free while police burst into the homes of two black security guards from the town of San Nicolas and arrested them.

"They decided to pick out some poor black guy, because father is a prominent man in society," said Mickey John, 30, who was roused from sleep, handcuffed and jailed eight days. "They just accused me, which was racial discrimination."

[stlnative]

On H&C

Today they had Joran, Deepak, and Satish in a room together. Joran is still claiming that the brothers dropped him and Natalee off at the beach. Joran said that he called Deepak an hour later for Deepak to pick him up at the beach. Deepak asked "Joran" why are you lying? ... then Joran changes his story and said your right that he had Satish pick him up at the beach.

(I don't know what beach or if Natalee was also picked up, they did not say and I not sure if Satish was also in the room with them. They just said brothers)

[maggief]

"Witnesses" ... would that include Pappa vdS?