Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2

To: maggiefluffs

Yes, and I questioned this taxi thing early on in the case and someone posted some reply that I did not buy. This taxi thing keeps coming up.

1,121 posted on 06/21/2005 8:24:39 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

dated 6/5/2005

How are you i hope you and your family is fine.(NAME DELETED) is better i tell you the truth , before it will be a shock for you later, but i think it will be a shock for you rightnow.

The missing girl natalee hollaway,I spoke to her , sunday she left with me , my brother and a friend from carlos n' charlies , it was my car like the news said she got in to, I am one of the persons of intrest , i am one the the students they've questioned and released as they claimed in the news .

Let see where to start i don't even know where to begin these last days where so crazy for me i'm very tired haven't slept good in days : The story starts sunday night when a friend of mine was playing poker at a local casino (in the holiday inn) after he won the poker at the fourth place he decided to get up and play some blackjack so he went to the blackjack table and there was natalee (they were a lil drunk ) so my friend started playing blackjack and he was winning quite good , so then natalee approached him and introduced herself and said to him'' your a lucky guy , can you help me win some of my money back i lost $ 360 , of my fathers money'' so my friend said ok , why not . so he started playing and he won 100 $ for her back and he said hey thats the best i can do for you because i doubt it i can win more money for you so its better i quit so she said ok but at least let me buy you a drink so they went to the bar (in the casino ).

so they took a drink and started talking etc. about school, the vacation etc.etc.afterwards my friend had to go and she said that ''today is my last day i will be in carlos n' charlies will you be there'' and my friend said well i have school tomorrow i don't think so . well she begged him and he still said yes i'll be there.So that was in the casino i was not present , i was at work so my friend called me and said hey i met some girls in the casino and her friends and they want us to meet them in carlos tonight do you have to work tomorrow morning i said no , so he said pick me up later then i said ok. so i got off my shift at 10 pm and went home took a bath had to fix something and then me and my younger brother went to pick up my friend was around 12.10 am

so i came to his home and was talked for like 15 min and then left to go to carlos (we all went out without or parents knew) so we arrived like 12.30 am in carlos (carlos is closing 1 pm ) and headed straight for the bar and bought 3 drinks my friend paid for them, so besides the bar there is a stage and people were dancing and there was natalee dancing too (thats the first time i saw her )and she was calling my friend to get on the stage and dance with her my friend laughed and refused so after the song was finished she came up to my friend and asked why he won't dance with her , i only heared that part because i was talking to someone else so i don't know what he responded(by then natalee was VERY drunk)so as i said i was talking to someone when i turned i had lost my brother , natalee and my friend.

well they were announced that they were closing soon so i thought well maybe they' re waiting for me by the car its better i go there so i went to my car and nobody was there so i started playing music and was waiting on my brother and my friend.i waited for like 10 min and then i saw my brother stepping in the car and my friend who was with natalee.

so i was surprised but anyways i started the engine and my brother was besides me and my friend and natalee were in the backseet so i started cruising in the area and asked my friend whats going on so natalee responded to me ''hey its no prob let us just drive around and have fun its my last night , she said you can drop me off later at holiday inn anyways right'' i said sure why not so as i was drove out of the carlos road and got on the mainroad there were natalees friends and she , pushed het head out of the window and screamed something i can't recall.

so i was driving very slow to make a left to get in the next road and then one of natalees friend screamed for her to get out of the car , and she refused so then i stopped my car and i said natalee if your friends want you to go with them its better you go listen to them and go with them , she said no i will stay with you guys i will get a lift from you anways later, so she said bye to her friends and i drove away, so then we were just talking etc, in the car and then she said she wanted to see sharks ,it was by the lighthouse she saw them before that can we go , my friend said ok ,deepak lets go.

so on my my to the lighthouse there was music playing and noone talking for a while when i looked in the backmirror my friend and natalee were kissing and touching (his hands etc was in her blouse but nothing nude or against natalees will ) so my brother siad just leave them for a while untill we get to the lighthouse, when i arrived at the lighthouse i said well here is the lighthouse they did not pay attention to me , so my brother said lets return (i did not stop anywhere not for a min only trafficlights)

so after like 10 min my friend is telling me that natalee fell asleep i said you kidding just wake her up and tell ask her if its holiday inn for sure she is staying so my friend woke her up and confirmed with natalee she was staying at the holiday inn, so i drove to the lobby driveway of holiday inn and then we woke her up, she got out of the car and fell on the floor my friend said damn

she fell and then rushed out of the same door natalee came out and picked her up immediately, after she stood up she pushed my friend and said leave me alone or something like that i can't recall , my friend offered to help het to her room she said no. she he stepped in the car and while i was driving away i saw natalee walking towards the lobby and a gentleman with a walkie talkie and black clothes approached her and i think they were talking and i had never seen natalee again sinds.(holiday inn has no cameras in the driveway or lobby) it was around 2.15 am .

monday i came to work normally 4- 11 pm after work i called my friend i said whats up he said ok i'm at the raddison casino meet me there , i said ok so i went there we played poker , we had some drinks and chat and then we had enough and decided that this casino was booring lets go to whyndham hotel casino . so i drove to whyndham and as i was parking my friends dad called him and said the police is at his home with some family members its about the girl you guys went out with yesterday , so my friend said wait there i be there, so we rushed at my friends home and there was the police and nataless family and it was a nightmare sinds then.

the police asked us if we knew this girl showed us a picture we said yes thats her , they said she was missing and eyewitness say she was the last seen with you guys . so they asked a few more questions and we said we don't understand we left her at holiday inn lobby drive way how could she dissapear and then natalees stepfather jumped and said ''yes thats because after she went with you assholes she lost'' and then my friends father jumped and said thats enough you can't talk to the kids like that this is not the us your out of you juristiction this is not the way i want you people out of my yard i know the law (my friends father is e judge)

so afterwards another family member of natalee suggested to the police if we can id the security gard we said ok. we went there there was no suck security working there as we discribed. so then we were just standing in the lobby there were questions etc. asked by other members , and then me and my friend walked to the car natalees mom was sitting and we said mam you have to believe us we did not do anything with you daughter, she was crying and said i don't believe you 2 , i promise you i will make you life a living hell because of this . anwyas we said we were sorry again ans that we will help in any way possible.

i went home 7 pm tuesday, i was then called 2 pm by the police for questioning i went gave a statement they said i was a witness no suspect the same went for my brother and my friend they were questionded and had to sign their statement also , the checked my car and i was clear to go , wednesday i was called again to show them how i drove the route that day ( i could refuse was my right i still decided to go , as did my brother and friend ) the drove us one by one and then we were free to go again.

thursday morning my friend called me (he goes to aruba international school and his mother is a teacher there and he is a straight A student ) in panic and said there a re family members here at school and they are sharing flyers and the flyers said : GIRL KIDNAPPED ASK JORAN VANDER SLOOT (thats my friends name ) the principle asked them to leave and they did .

so thats my part of the story yesterday and today it was quiet no treathen phoncalls what we got before and i won't mention the crazythings the newspapers etc. writes about us its to much to mention. at home my mom is losing it she is cryimg constantly , my dad bloodpressure got high also his hands are red , my friends home is a disaster also ,his mom is crying constantly also his dad is pretty cool he calmes us down and talks to us also not to worry , my brother is preety cool but on his face you see he is worried , my friend is pretty worried also. i'm pretty worried also ,

we have 2 lawyers one for my friend and one for me in case we get arrested and charched with something his dad can't defend hin he is a judge and he is too emotional attached .my friend has his graduation this thursday he has to go to the states in july he has a full scholarship. i had to go to vacation also end of this month.many politicians find we should be locked up rightnow.

We heard a lot of false alarms that she was dead , she was seen with 2 guys , her hair is cut and is red now ,she was in a crackhouse etc, we were arrested and , my car is by the police we confessed to murder and rape, she went in a restaurant to buy food but none of those were true.

So (name deleted) that was my part of the story what i said here is the same in my statement,people are saying they are bad guys lock them up , the family is going thru a lot righnow , but what they don't know how the other families feel and how they also have a reputation and carreers etc. because when this all is over they will still be talks that were the 3 guys that had something to do with the kidnap of natalee its a small island.

they don't understand the pressure we are having also, if this girl turns up dead we have a problem we were the last seen with her . I lost a lot of friends who think we had to do something with this, many of my friends supported us also brought food etc. for us at home and know we are innocent, we are innocent also we promise i would NEVER hurt anyone in anyway, i would do every everything to help find her thats what we told eveyone also , i would take a bullet to save her and bring her back to her family if i had to so would my friend also.i would never never hurt anyone i'm a very happy and social person who likes to make friends with people and not hurting them

So (NAME DELETED) i will say goodbye now hope you believe me and i pray to god that they find natalee soon and find her well so that this nightmare ends for all of us and they we prove we had nothing to do with this, i hope you pray for all of us say hi to everyone there hope to hear from you soon and may god bless.........

bye bye

Deepak.

1,122 posted on 06/21/2005 8:26:07 PM PDT by stlnative (I have tons of sharp cheese to hand out to the Natalee thread whiners. :-)

I can't take seriously anything I read on a forum called "Scared Monkeys". I keep picturing all these little sockmonkeys, typing away on their miniature laptops.

1,123 posted on 06/21/2005 8:29:34 PM PDT by Palladin (God Bless America!)

it's not likely the duct tape found wrapped around a tree was used by wind surfers

1,124 posted on 06/21/2005 8:29:55 PM PDT by vigilante2

could it be she was standing between a Taxi and Deepak's car and they thought she got into a taxi?

1,125 posted on 06/21/2005 8:31:14 PM PDT by stlnative (I have tons of sharp cheese to hand out to the Natalee thread whiners. :-)

To: maggiefluffs

Does this look like any of the cars that Aruba LE had towed away?

The taxi dispatch office, which can also arrange taxi tours, is located at Pos Abou z/n in Oranjestad, behind the Eagle Bowling Palace on the Sasaki road. Taxis do not have meters; rates are fixed and should be checked in advance. Most taxi drivers have participated in the government's Tourism Awareness Program.

1,126 posted on 06/21/2005 8:33:19 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

Reihl world gets most of his info from Scared Monkeys, most of it has been panning out to be true and then later being reported on American Media. Like who owned the car, who father was, etc...

1,127 posted on 06/21/2005 8:33:49 PM PDT by stlnative (I have tons of sharp cheese to hand out to the Natalee thread whiners. :-)

I recall her male HS friend on BO said last week that Nat was dancing with J. He said he watched them and knew that Nat had met him before that nite.

To me the whole tone of this email sounds the opposite of what is known about Nat, and if switched around sounds exactly like J according to his web site.

And the idea that they did not want to go out because of work and school is laughable for young guys.

1,128 posted on 06/21/2005 8:34:33 PM PDT by roses of sharon (,)

could it be she was standing between a Taxi and Deepak's car and they thought she got into a taxi?

Some of the students have stated that she waved and hollered at them as the car was being driving down the street.

1,129 posted on 06/21/2005 8:35:51 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

Deepak's had a light silver honda, so it could be that a Taxi was near by.

I am about ready to scream if my (country - hick) ISP does not quit hanging up my connection.

1,130 posted on 06/21/2005 8:36:45 PM PDT by stlnative (I have tons of sharp cheese to hand out to the Natalee thread whiners. :-)

To: Andy'smom; sarasota; cyborg; kcvl; brigette; maggiefluffs; No Surrender No Retreat; ...

From SM:

Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 11:15 pm Post subject: night all

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well we have gotten a few more pieces. joren was at mikki d at 11. dad picked him up. he had just met natalee at the casino. he then sneaked out of the house and went to c and c (don't know how). met Natalee and left with her. (where does satish say they went in the email.) ended up at Marriott beach, don't know anything from there. room mates were very worried early the next morning and their worries were apparently not acted upon timely. dad can't remember whther he was home in the morning or if he went to school that day. He was obviously hard to control. mom was out of town, dad was not doing a good job of babysitting. dad is apparently absentee father away a lot at school. So, i leave it to you all to parse this to death. I am goint to take a break as this intense focus on one issue is not good for me. I need some rest and envy some of you your energy. May lurk awhile but won't post unless inspired to do so. I think Greta's stunt was overplayed to draw viewers. Hope we get some more substance from it.

1,131 posted on 06/21/2005 8:47:08 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

To: brigette; maggiefluffs; TexKat; All

Whoever "Betty" (Elisabeth, Elizabeth) is...I wonder why she did not release this to someone?

The information about Natalee being drunk in this post (Thanks for the paragraph formatting, I read the first and it was very difficult) is also confusing. The person (Deepak? we are to believe) states Natalee was drunk at the Casino, and drunk in the car, and fell asleep. Then drunk enough to stumble and fall at the hotel. That is his story.

In the post from Dash's mother (# 1015) she and her daughter talked about Natalee and she wrote :

”…maybe relishing the scenery on their last night, you know -- and, having been drinking, might have fallen in. Or gone for a last swim.” This seems to be eluding to Natalee being drunk.

In another post (#1083) This same mother said about Natalee: This information has been consistent from the beginning, including the reasons my daughter said Natalee did not appear to be falling-down drunk. This was presented as an eyewitness statement, not as any sort of defense.

So, was it that she was drunk, but not “falling-down” drunk in their opinion?

Maybe she was not falling down around her friends, but later she was with Joran and his friends. (You know, after too much alcohol started to have an effect.)

Then on FOX (I forget whose show tonite, they all have something about this story) there were two girls from the group who were interviewed tonight. I thought they said that Natalee was not drinking, and not drunk. One emphasized that Carlos and Charlie’s was very strict about not letting kids under age drink. (Now I am forgetting, is Natalee 17 or 18???)

Anyway…there seems to be a big difference about what all are saying about Natalee and the drinking, (one girl telling her mother maybe she fell off a pier because she had been drinking…later this same girl saying - not “falling down” drunk) and the statement in what this supposed email from Deepak that says - Natalee was drunk in the Casino, fell asleep, fell down getting out of the car, etc. Who is covering up for whom??? The teens for Natalee and, perhaps, themselves? (out of guilt for breaking the "contract," etc.) The boys for themselves and Joran? Everyone? And what the heck does Croes have to do with any of this?

And then, of course, all of us wondering if something was slipped in one of her drinks, some drug? And how is Daddy VDS involved? Covering for his son, Joran, or something bigger that involves Croes, and his other (illegtimate) son, Lorenzo, Joran's half-brother?

This is like reading "War and Peace," where I had to keep writing down all the characters names to keep everyone straight and how they figured into the story!

1,132 posted on 06/21/2005 8:49:59 PM PDT by CitizenM ("An excuse is worse than an lie, because an excuse is a lie hidden." Pope John Paul, II)

dad can't remember whther he was home in the morning or if he went to school that day

I don't believe that.

1,133 posted on 06/21/2005 8:50:34 PM PDT by kcvl

To: TexKat; maggiefluffs; All

email brief (timeline)... (as Deepak is telling it)
POOR GRAMMER AND TYPOS by Brigette ARE FREE OF CHARGE

Deepak is suppose to be the writer and he is writing it to a friend long after he has given his statements to the police, but before he is arrested. - Date of email is June 5th, 2005

Sunday (During the day)
Natalee and Joran are at the HI casino, Natalee asks Joran to win some of her money back. He won a $100.00 dollars back for her and she offered to buy him a drink. They have a drink and she tells Joran that this is her last night in Aruba and that she will be at Charlie's & Carlo's Bar later that evening. (Deepak was not there so this must be what Joran told him)

Joran calls Deepak at work - Deepak gets off work at 10pm Sunday Night- Deepak goes home takes a bath and fixes something (dinner or repairs something?) - Deepak and Satish leave their house a 12:10am Monday morning to pick up Joran. (We now hear that Joran snuck out), they left Joran's home at 12:25am Monday and headed for Charlies & Carlos Bar, they arrive a C&C Bar at about 12:30am. C&C Bars closes at 1:00am Monday

Deepak waited in the car for about 10 minutes (I assume this was around 1:00am Monday, while everyone was clearing out of the bar) Satish, Joran and Natalee get into Deepak car and they drive off. They head to the lighthouse and they just drive around until 2:15am when Deepak says they took her back to the HI Hotel. So that gives them a solid hour and possibly 1 hour and 15 minutes, if they took her back to the HI Hotel (we now hear the story is changing).

Sunday at 12:30am was the first time Deepak met Natalee (so he says) and he "thinks" that Sunday during the day was the first time "Joran" met Natalie, but video cameras plus witnesses prove that Joran met Natalee at least 2 days before Sunday night arrived.

1,134 posted on 06/21/2005 9:19:13 PM PDT by stlnative (I have tons of sharp cheese to hand out to the Natalee thread whiners. :-)

Well, that is heavy duty stuff.

1,135 posted on 06/21/2005 9:25:38 PM PDT by varina davis

To: TexKat; maggiefluffs; All

TO GO WITH MY LAST POST

joren was at mikki d at 11. dad picked him up. he had just met natalee at the casino. he then sneaked out of the house and went to c and c

This makes sense... Joran hung around the hotels until 11:00pm Sunday, has Daddy pick him up at McD's at 11pm. He goes home with Dad. Deepak is at home take a bath and fixing something. He picks Joran up at about 12:10 am Monday Morning (Joran sneeks out - they probably hung out for 15 minutes to make sure Daddy was asleep) and they arrive a C&C Bar at about 12:30am Monday Morning. Everyone rolls out of the bar at 1:00am Monday Morning - then they take their little trip with Natalee.

Then we have Daddy possibly picking up Joran at 3 am Monday Morning at McD's. This would give Joran and the other 2 almost 3 hours to do whatever they did with her. Very odd that Joran's dad would pick him up at 3am at McD's after Joran snuck out. So Daddy has to know something. Joran would not send Deepak home, not if Joran snuck out of the house. He would need a ride home so he could sneek back in without Daddy knowing he was out roaming around. Daddy Sloot is calm and tells all the boys not worry after all the boys have been called in for questioning. daddy cannot remember if he worked or not Monday.

1,136 posted on 06/21/2005 9:34:00 PM PDT by stlnative (I have tons of sharp cheese to hand out to the Natalee thread whiners. :-)

Sunday at 12:30am was the first time Deepak met Natalee (so he says) and he "thinks" that Sunday during the day was the first time "Joran" met Natalie, but video cameras plus witnesses prove that Joran met Natalee at least 2 days before Sunday night arrived.

Now, that part is REALLY strange because the two girls on FOX tonight who were classmates of Natalee's also insisted that Natalee did not know Joran before she introduced herself to him at the Casino on that last night.

They did not say anything about the money, but did say Natalee and Joran were gambling. They said he was at the same game table. They said Natalee got up and went over to him and said hello and started to talk. They did not hear if she made plans to meet him later. But this confirms what Deepak is saying about Joran not knowing Natalee before. Wonder what the video really shows????

1,137 posted on 06/21/2005 9:36:04 PM PDT by CitizenM ("An excuse is worse than an lie, because an excuse is a lie hidden." Pope John Paul, II)

where I had to keep writing down all the characters names to keep everyone straight and how they figured into the story!

Lol, I already have my list going.

RENEE VAN HANEGEM ---- Decapitated

Sergio Gomez ---- Missing

Beth Holloway Twitty ---- Natalee's Mother

Jug Titty ---- Natlaee's Stepfather Father

Steve Croes ---- Witness

Joran Van der Sloot ---- Suspect

Anita Van Der Sloot ---- Joran's Mother

Paulus Van Der Sloot ---- Joran's Father

Deepak Kalpoe ---- Suspect

Statish Kalpoe ---- Suspect

Alana Jordan (Dash) ---- Student on trip

Edward Kissel ---- Student on trip

Marten van de Berg ---- Dirty old man

Paul Reynolds ---- Natalee's uncle

Lorenzo van Rijn ---- not confirmed who this is yet

Linda Allison ---- Natalee's aunt

Ruth McVay ---- Student on trip

Frances Ellen Byrd ---- Student on trip

Mariaine Croes ---- Prosecutor Spokesperson

Ruben Trapenberg ---- Government Spokesman

Julia Renfro ---- Aruba Today Editor In Chief

Lincoln Gomez ---- Aruba Attorney

Elio Nicolaas ---- Retired Aruban Policeman

Andin Bikker ---- Aruban Attorney

Jossy Mansur ---- Mgr Editor - Dario Newspaper

Hebert Teal ---- Reporter - Dario Newspaper

Milko Biaz ---- Aruba Attorney (former Police Lieutenant

Tito Lacle ---- Aruba Today Newspaper

Ricardo Yarzagaray ---- Criminal Defense Attorney

Arlene Ellis Schipper ---- Attorney

1,138 posted on 06/21/2005 9:49:26 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

To: TexKat; maggiefluffs; All

What really has me freaked me out is Deepak's statement that natalee wanted to see some sharks? (Maybe she really said that, maybe the shark part was mentioned by Deepak because that is were she ended up.) Maybe they took her out and showed her the shark area... maybe she had an accident there or they did something else on another part of the island (like raped her and killed her or she OD. etc... They freaked and took her body to the shark area to get rid of it. (maybe daddy helped them)

Maybe the brothers were told by Daddy VDS to take off with their car and clean it up real well, while Joran and Daddy took Natalee back home to decide what to do with her body. There was a call to the the DJ who lives in Santa Cruz at 6am in the morning. Maybe Daddy took Joran to school so he could do his finals and so that everything would seem normal in the event police would catch up with them. Maybe Daddy and the DJ got rid of her body and this why Daddy cannot remember if he worked that Monday or not.

The brothers probably know she is dead, that is why the "something bad happened" statement slipped out. But the brothers don't know what Joran did with her body. So the brothers know what happened to her.

1,139 posted on 06/21/2005 9:50:26 PM PDT by stlnative (I have tons of sharp cheese to hand out to the Natalee thread whiners. :-)

Jug Titty

??? LOL - physical description?

1,140 posted on 06/21/2005 9:53:40 PM PDT by CitizenM ("An excuse is worse than an lie, because an excuse is a lie hidden." Pope John Paul, II)

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