Polish TV crew in trouble in Russia

Radio Polonia ^ | 02.06.2005

[lizol]

Polish TV crew in trouble in Russia 02.06.2005

A Polish diplomat from the Moscow Embassy has gone to Ingushetia to investigate the curcumstances of the detention in Vladikavkaz, the capital of North Ossetia, of three Polish television journalists. After an 8-hour questioning, they had their video cassettes confiscated and were handed over to the Russian Federation security services. They were accused of filming without permission in the region of troops stationing in North Caucasus.

[kaiser80]

No, it's not a sign of liberalism. I simply hate when someone and especially media is overusing some word...

Holocaust was terrorism? No, it was genocide. The aim was to kill not to frighten. So was with Indians, whey wanted to kill and hell they did. People were scared. Yep.

Raping the German women near the end of WWII was not terrorism...according to you.

No. It was raping the German women near the end of WWII. A war crime. A sex crime. Soldiers wanted to have sex, wanted to punish, wanted revange. The aim was not to defeat the enemy, not to frightened him, not to acomplish any goals...

[kaiser80]

For your information terrorism is a very big factor in all guerrilla wars.

My point was and is that terrorism is nota very big factor in all guerrilla wars.

The best double speak I've heard since reading 1984.

When your only goal is to "win" in the discusion then, yep consider it as a double speak...

[kaiser80]

To late, I have and in great detail. Guerilla war by a national movement aimed at killing the Nazi occupier is a far cry from a rebel action who's number one target is Christian civilians and who's number two target is their own Chechin civilians. Moral relativism is rather out of mode these days.

So we also understand the word "detail" somehow different...During occupation, our underground undertook a series of actions, which fulfill your deffinition of "terrorism".

[GarySpFc]

For your information terrorism is a very big factor in all guerrilla wars.

My point was and is that terrorism is nota very big factor in all guerrilla wars.

I think you will find almost all military men would agree with me on this point. BTW, have you ever served in the armed forces?

[kaiser80]

No I didn't and most likely I won't. I know people who served, serves and even in my family there were people who were in AK and I'm sure they would disagree with you on that matter.

As a conclusion I can only say that a point of view depends on where you sits. Belive me when I say that a sentence like that For your information terrorism is a very big factor in all guerrilla wars., for a member of a nation that had fought many guerrilla wars for centuries was, is, and will be an insult.

[Lion in Winter]

I have an Oxford Dictionary... big old thing, about 30years old.

Here is what it gives as the definition of TERRORISM:

".... practice of using terror inspiring methods of governing or of securing political or other ends.

For those ignorant of the meaning of TERROR... here is what the book describes TERROR!!

Terror: EXTREME FEAR!!!!

That settles the meaning of terror and terrorism for me.

Been speaking English all my life( 78 years+) and have found that the OXFORD DiCTIONARY is the best one of them all.

[kaiser80]

Precisely. However the interpretation can differ. What is extreme, what goals does it have etc. Besides sometimes the deffinicion has to be rewritten in order to meet the todays meening. However I find it very delicate matter. Greetings.

[GarySpFc]

I know people who served, serves and even in my family there were people who were in AK and I'm sure they would disagree with you on that matter.

I know doctors, but that does not make me comptent in medicine.

As a conclusion I can only say that a point of view depends on where you sits.

::::shaking head in disbelief::::

Belive me when I say that a sentence like that For your information terrorism is a very big factor in all guerrilla wars., for a member of a nation that had fought many guerrilla wars for centuries was, is, and will be an insult.

I'm sorry, but America has likely fought more guerilla wars than anyone. The AK's goal was to throw out the Germans, and as such would not have resorted to terrorizing the population. However, you can bet they did everything in their power to strike fear in the hearts of the Germans.

[GarySpFc]

Precisely. However the interpretation can differ. What is extreme, what goals does it have etc. Besides sometimes the deffinicion has to be rewritten in order to meet the todays meening. However I find it very delicate matter.

By your standards dog can mean cat, day can mean night, evil can mean good, etc. The Devil lies by changing the meanings of words.

[kaiser80]

Belive me when I say that a sentence like that For your information terrorism is a very big factor in all guerrilla wars., for a member of a nation that had fought many guerrilla wars for centuries was, is, and will be an insult.

I'm sorry, but America has likely fought more guerilla wars than anyone.

Oh now I get it. The aim of the discussion was not to convince the fellow freeper or presenting the other point of view but to "win", discredit I know doctors, but that does not make me comptent in medicine. (the stupiest agrument I've seen so far)

AK's goal was to throw out the Germans, and as such would not have resorted to terrorizing the population.

I'm sure that you are aware of the fact that many actions undertaken by AK fulfill the definition of terrorism presented by you and jb6.

I was forced to rethink in a way my approach on war in Chechnya, hope you will do the same.

[RussianBoor]

This will not be tolerated.

Ah, Mr. Tough Talk again. Well, do not tolerate then. Who cares.

If Chechnya were as far from Russia as Iraq is from the US there would have been absolutely no occupation or conflict or even contacts. Not for ever nor even for a single moment. The point is exactly how to get rid of Chechens for ever, but so they would not invade neighboring Russian regions and do not form organized crime syndicates in Moscow and elsewhere in Russia and enjoy their independence strictly within their borders (minus of course Cossack territories given to them by Commies).

[RussianBoor]

Could somebody please explain me a few things:

Fervent attention of Poles in this forum to anything Russian.

Questionable style of "discussions" exhibited by some of the above mentioned persons.

Hey guys, don't you have anything else useful to do? I understand some of you are being paid for your activities here, but I cannot imagine all of you are being paid (am I wrong?).

I really cannot understand what is your problem? Russia even does not border with Poland anymore, except Kaliningrad enclave. There have been lots of past history but everybody had fought anybody else in this world. US invaded and tried to annex Canada, Canadians burnt down the White House. And so what? So why us? My opinion is that you have now much more urgent things to do, like trying to convince your Western neighbors that you are any good for the EU, they seem to think otherwise.

[Lion in Winter]

I find the definition to be JUST RIGHT AND ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!!

YOU are INCORRECT, in every sense of the words: TERROR AND TERRORISM.

END OF DISCUSSION AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED.

Good day AND goodbye!

[kaiser80]

Switch the words Russian with Poles...No just kidding;P
Get your point. I'm not paid, by the way...

[GarySpFc]

Oh now I get it. The aim of the discussion was not to convince the fellow freeper or presenting the other point of view but to "win", discredit I know doctors, but that does not make me comptent in medicine. (the stupiest agrument I've seen so far)

Let's see, you quote sources to discredit me in referring to your family members who were in the AK, but then you would deny me the same response or did you forget? "I know people who served, serves and even in my family there were people who were in AK and I'm sure they would disagree with you on that matter."

Obviously your relatives are not here to post for themselves. That said, please provide me someone you know with military credentials equal to or higher than mine, and then we will have something to discuss. Otherwise, you are nothing more than a EU or Polish troll.

[j24]

"Why would POLISH media types NEED to be filming Russian troops inside RUSSIA???"

They were not accused of filming troops. They were accused of filming "without permission in the region of troops stationing in North Caucasus". In other words they were found with cameras in a region where the Russians were doing something suspicious.

By the way, why should German, British, French, Italian journalists film American troops in Iraq? Maybe Americans should arrest hem?

[j24]

"Fervent attention of Poles in this forum to anything Russian."

And vice versa.

"I understand some of you are being paid for your activities here"

I understand you are talking about a few Putin's minions here.

[sergey1973]

I believe in the freedom of information. The Polish journalists have a legitimate right to report from Chechnya. They did not interfere with military operations and they did not pass anything sensitive, so they have a right to work and tell what's going on there.

[Romanov]

"Don't forget that Russia is responsible for creating those terrorist...I wouldn't compare most of the Chechens with Al-Qaida. The war in Chechnya is different from that one in Iraq. Way over any standards both moral and military. When in Iraq there is some form of abuse (like Abu-Graib) or some separate incidents (unneccesary deaths) in Chechnya at the same time there is a planned or at least uncontrolled slow extermination ot the Chechen nation. Haven't you heard of series of executions of chechen men and women? The whole villages are pacified...Dude, don't mix war on terror with what happens in Chechnya..."

You sound exactly like the America-haters who blame us for creating conditions that led to Muslim fanatics launching planes into the WTC. Holy Moly is your post one of the most uneducated analysis of what's going on in Chechnya. Evidently you haven't had anyone you know blown up in the Moscow Metro, or while sleeping in their apartments in Kashirskoe Shosse, or killed standing in line for a rock concert outside of Tishinsky Airfield, or blown up walking past the National Hotel, or taken hostage in a hospital in Budennovsk, or school children killed in Beslan, or, well, you get the picture, I can go on and on and on. Evidently, Islamic-funded terrorism is ok with you as long as they're killing Russians.

Ask yourself this question - Are Basaev and his followers Wahabiists? Is Osama Bin Ladin a Wahabiist? Hmm, yes, perhaps??? Could there be a link??

[Romanov]

Well, the German, British, French journalists obtain permission prior to filming - if they haven't they'd be detained and expelled from the region.