Posted on 06/02/2005 11:10:04 AM PDT by lizol
Polish TV crew in trouble in Russia 02.06.2005
A Polish diplomat from the Moscow Embassy has gone to Ingushetia to investigate the curcumstances of the detention in Vladikavkaz, the capital of North Ossetia, of three Polish television journalists. After an 8-hour questioning, they had their video cassettes confiscated and were handed over to the Russian Federation security services. They were accused of filming without permission in the region of troops stationing in North Caucasus.
So the guys from AK or underground in France were terrorists?
Don't forget that Russia is responsible for creating those terrorist...==
How so? Terrorism in Chechnya started in 1991 when there wasn't war there. Chechen rebel attacks on russian civilians started then.
Later when chechen rebels went through thier compact dwellings the war began.
War was started by chechen armed rebellion as any rebellion anywhere.
During war there were atrocities from both sides.
So the guys from AK or underground in France were terrorists?==
Terrorism is deliberate armed attack on civilians.
Chechen rebels started terrorism in 1991. In period 1991-94 (before first war ) there was about 30 thousands russians disappear in Chechnya who lived in thier towns like Groznii but about half million became refugees.
It was all under rule of Dzhohar Dudaev before first war.
One of reason of first war was because chechen rebels wanted to cecede from Russia with land of Terek kazaks which was given them by commies for help in Civil war 1918-22.
For the last few posts I was trying to understand, with a help of a man that have so precise intel and knowladge of war itself, how can terrorism be a very big factor in all guerrilla wars. I must admit that I was pretty amazed to see that kind of sentence.
AK??? Did you mean Alaska? Damn, I'm speechless...What can I say...I can only regret that the french underground is better known than the largest underground army in the history of mankind. An Army that represented the largest organised and complete underground state. AK= Armia Krajowa (transl. Home Army).
You are attempting to make equate the terrorists in Chechnya and the underground movement in France.
No, I don't. You do.
For your information terrorism is a very big factor in all guerrilla wars.
Chechnya has been a part of Russia for a couple of hundred years, and the Chechens were not the founders of Chechnya.
Poland has been a part of foreing powers for a quite some time too. Does it mean we don't deserve to live free?
So as you see kidnapping for ransom is not terrorism, it's a crime. Killing a leader considered as enemy in war area it's not a terrorism.
Kidnapping and then terrorizing the victims is terrorism, just like those people kidnapped in Iraq and made to do videos pleading for their lives. Yes many were released when countries like Italy paid up. Assassination, especially with a bomb in a crowded stadium that got a lot of civilians is terrorism.
Sentence 1. For your information terrorism is a very big factor in all guerrilla wars.
Sentence 2. Guerrilla warfare is the favorite tactic of terrorist organizations when they're brought to a fight.
Simple example of that logic:
1. All cats are animals.
Other way round:
2. All animals are cats.
Assassination, especially with a bomb in a crowded stadium that got a lot of civilians is terrorism.
You want to tell me that Israel lunched some terrorist strikes? Many assassination of islamic leaders with help of air force were succesfull - target destroyed. But there was some collateral damage. Few civilians died.
If they target civilians as the center of their strategy, yes. If they target enemy combatents, no.
Precisely.
Through control of the population. Most peasants are afraid to support the government or be neutral because they know the government will leave after a patrol or at night and the terrorists will walk in.
The Vietcong used to butcher whole villages as examples to the rest of the population. Even in the American revolution there were isolated cases of terror against the 1/3rd of the population loyal to the Crown. During the Indian wars in America, there were terror acts against civilians of both the settlers and the indians and that went on for 200 years.
1. Vietnam War
2. Afghanistan
3. Kashmir
4. Malaysian insurgency (sponsored by the Indonesians)
5. Africa over the past 50 years.
After that come talk to us.
I'm surprised that the word "terrorism", "terrorist" is overused today. One kid slammed another in the face because he wants candy - school terrorism.
During the Indian wars in America, there were terror acts against civilians of both the settlers and the indians and that went on for 200 years.
Terrorism...For me it's genocide of ethnical background, crime.
The Vietcong used to butcher whole villages as examples to the rest of the population.
During a war I wouldn't speek of terrorism although it's a form of terror, no doubt.
During a war, occupation you need to separate the cases of "terrorising" the civilians collaborating with the enemy from any conotation with terrorism as we know it today. Focus the war on terror on real terror, not "terror".
1. World War II
2. Europe in the period lets say 1700-1900
After that come talk to us.
With a little knowladge and fair judgement you should be.To that point I had a respect for you. You don't even try to show any respect to others and their heritage...I talk of AK and underground in France, you talk about American Special Forces and Americans working with the French. Further comment is pointless.
Shoes? We,Poles, don't have any. And belive me, it's really hard to run from a polar bear without shoes...
To late, I have and in great detail. What was your point? Guerilla war by a national movement aimed at killing the Nazi occupier is a far cry from a rebel action who's number one target is Christian civilians and who's number two target is their own Chechin civilians. Moral relativism is rather out of mode these days.
The best double speak I've heard since reading 1984.
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