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Newfound Dinosaur a Transitional Creature
Las Vegas Sun (AP) ^ | May 04, 2005 | Malcolm Ritter

Posted on 05/04/2005 12:32:23 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan

Caught in the act of evolution, the odd-looking, feathered dinosaur was becoming more vegetarian, moving away from its meat-eating ancestors.

It had the built-for-speed legs of meat-eaters, but was developing the bigger belly of plant-eaters. It had already lost the serrated teeth needed for tearing flesh. Those were replaced with the smaller, duller vegetarian variety.

(Excerpt) Read more at lasvegassun.com ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: crevolist; dinosaurs; evolution; godsgravesglyphs; paleontology; transitionalfossil
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To: Elsie
 
This mineral deposit is quite extensive at Crystal geyser and a LOT more colorful than this!
 
http://images.google.com/images?q=crystal+geyser+green+river&hl=en&btnG=Search+Images
 
The pipe is much shorter now..........
 

581 posted on 05/06/2005 6:12:30 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: colorado tanker
Darwin theorized that random mutation would create many different versions of an organism who would compete against each other for resources until all but the best adapted to the environment have died out. Well there's just no evidence for that.

This is, in part, a misrepresentation of how evolution works. "All but the best adapted" do not die out. All real populations contain many variations.

Simple illustration: with the exception of identical siblings, all humans are genetically unique. this is not an unusual condition; it is the rule in populations.

582 posted on 05/06/2005 6:16:46 AM PDT by js1138 (e unum pluribus)
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To: MeanWestTexan
I meant to ping you on this post also.
583 posted on 05/06/2005 6:21:57 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (The DemocRAT Party is a criminal enterprise.)
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To: metacognative
Losing DNA information is not a positive step.

That's really an odd kind of statement. In computer programming, removing dead or useless code is considered an improvement. It actually take more "design" to produce a lean program than a bloated one.

So by the standard of design, evolution produces a more intelligently designed program, one that meets specs with fewer lines of code.

Of course in the case of antibiotic resistance, the code isn't deleted; it's just commented out.

584 posted on 05/06/2005 6:26:29 AM PDT by js1138 (e unum pluribus)
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To: Ichneumon

[Thunderous applause!]


585 posted on 05/06/2005 6:29:39 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: Ichneumon; hosepipe; Dimensio
"Look, if you have some sort of hostility issues towards people who know more about a subject than you do, seek help, or keep it to yourself. ..

Do you have some secret info that these people don't have?:

Colin Patterson, the senior paleontologist at the British Museum of Natural History, which houses the world's largest fossil collection - sixty million specimens - said this:

]"If I knew of any [evolutionary transitions], fossil or living, I would certainly have included them [in my book Evolution]"

Pierre-Paul Grasse, 30-years spent as Chair of Evolution at Sorbonne, wrote this:

"Naturalists must remember that the process of evolution is revealed only through fossil forms. A knowledge of paleontology is, therefore, a prerequisite; only paleontology can provide them with the evidence and reveal its course or mechanisms." [Evolution of Living Organisms - New York: Academic Press, 1977]

Charles Darwin: "Why then is not every geological formation and every stratum full of such intermediate links? Geology assuredly does not reveal any such finely-graduated organic chain; and this; perhaps, is the most obvious and serious objection which can be urged against the theory." David Raup [Curator of the Field Museum of Natural History in Chicago]:

"We are now about 120 years after Darwin and the knowledge of the fossil record has been greatly expanded. We now have a quarter of a million fossil species, but the situation hasn't changed much. ... We have even fewer examples of evolutionary transition than we had in Darwin's time."

586 posted on 05/06/2005 6:35:05 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (The DemocRAT Party is a criminal enterprise.)
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To: metacognative
You got something interesting to say, say it. I've chased too many of these links to find nothing much there.

You asked for information and I provided it. As Barbie says, "science is hard."

You are asking for evidence of something that seldom, if ever happens, and which isn't predicted by evolution -- the sudden emergence of a major new variety by one mutation.

Real populations of real organisms carry many variations, all of which are successful. Variations are not easily classified as good or bad. Individual differences help insure that at least part of a population will survive changes in climate, food supply or competition.

When the fossil record show the apparent instantaneous emergence of a new species, that "instant" is something like a million years, give or take an order of magnitude. For most populations, that represents a hundred thousand generations, or more.

If you look at the record of climate over the last hundred thousand years you will see evidence of multiple large scale changes -- evidence of the need for populations to adapt the heat, cold, drought, and the changing nature of the competition.

587 posted on 05/06/2005 6:46:26 AM PDT by js1138 (e unum pluribus)
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To: Gumlegs

LOL!


588 posted on 05/06/2005 6:51:06 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: js1138
"Stupidity and ignornance do not honor your beliefs."

Your inability to recognize sarcasm and humor do not honor your intellect.

589 posted on 05/06/2005 6:52:07 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Elsie
Where is HIS fossil; since there appears to be NO creature like him to be found on Earth today. (Even though in Job's time, men appear to have KNOWN about it.)

People have "known about" dragons, garden fairies, Nessie, ghosts and Santa Claus. We even have photographs of garden fairies.

590 posted on 05/06/2005 6:54:37 AM PDT by js1138 (e unum pluribus)
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To: MEGoody
Your inability to recognize sarcasm and humor do not honor your intellect.

I recognize sarcasm when it exists. Your post, and its predecessor, had no content.

591 posted on 05/06/2005 6:59:30 AM PDT by js1138 (e unum pluribus)
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To: js1138

And these adaptations you refer to are the product of DNA mistakes?


592 posted on 05/06/2005 7:00:55 AM PDT by metacognative (eschew obfuscation)
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To: metacognative
And these adaptations you refer to are the product of DNA mistakes?

Yes.

First of all, most DNA is non-coding. We don't know everything about why it exists, but we do know that copy errors in non-coding areas generally have little effect.

Second, many DNA words have alternate spellings that produce the same effect. These variations appear to be silent, but may be useful later on.

Third, in sexually reproducing organisms, a single mutation is often hidden as a recessive gene. Some are multivariate, diluted, so to speak.

What you appear to be arguing against is saltation, the appearance of a mutation with a dramatic effect. This doesn't happen often, if at all. Evolution dismissed saltation in the 1940 modern synthesis. It isn't needed to explain gradual change, and it isn't needed by punk eek (which is still gradual change).

I don't expect you to follow this, but for those reading along, all populations carry many mutations or variations, no one of which is critical or dramatic. Populations change in a statistical way, not by the appearance of dramatic mutations. This is true even with punctuated equilibrium.

593 posted on 05/06/2005 7:22:37 AM PDT by js1138 (e unum pluribus)
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To: Elsie

"Even I'D like to see this!"

OK:


http://www.asa3.org/archive/evolution/199801/0095.html


594 posted on 05/06/2005 7:25:30 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan
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To: Elsie

"Therefore, no Evo should be against 'birth defects'"

That is silly.


595 posted on 05/06/2005 7:26:26 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan
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To: Elsie

The problem is that a translation is a translation.


Any translation loses the shades-of-meanining in words.


596 posted on 05/06/2005 7:28:14 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan
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To: js1138

I do follow. Analogous to millions of microsoft computer errors producing more adaptive programs.
Sure!


597 posted on 05/06/2005 8:03:40 AM PDT by metacognative (eschew obfuscation)
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To: metacognative
I do follow.

Yes, but you are not keeping up.

598 posted on 05/06/2005 8:22:56 AM PDT by js1138 (e unum pluribus)
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To: Elsie
Ok, I'll bite. Just how many 'mutants' have humans 'created' that came about from -- response to situational pressures?

Gee, that would be easily dismissable as another example of ID, wouldn't it? After all, every experiment just proves ID. Then consider that nothing is science unless it's replicable in an experiment. Therefore, we've already got the whole experiment thing Catch-22ed if you're impressed by such semantic monkeyshines.

599 posted on 05/06/2005 8:43:28 AM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: js1138
"I recognize sarcasm when it exists."

Obviously, you don't.

600 posted on 05/06/2005 9:12:51 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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