[gobucks]

"My background," he admits, "did not lend itself to me being a creationist."

So true for many of us! (Funny, I wonder why that is 'so true for many of us?)

[thejokker]

wacko-nut jobs like this do not further a conservative agenda.

[HankReardon]

Is that an accurate drawing of the giraffe-human evolutionary link? AMAZING! Put it in text book!

[Physicist]

Funny, I wonder why that is 'so true for many of us?

Because we're not ancient Hebrews?

[Labyrinthos]

To the proponents of Creationism a/k/a Intelligent Design, I once again offer the following challenge: Other than your religious faith and your criticisms of the Theory of Evolution, please provide at least one objective piece of evidence to support your view. Again, I'm not interested in your religious beliefs or Genesis or any other Biblical verse. Nor do I care about the negatives of Evolution. Just identify the positive evidence in support of your position.

Please note that I have issued this challenge on several threads, but have only received a single reply from a person who could not follow directions.

[Maceman]

The earth, according to Hofland, is about 6,000 years old. God created it in six 24-hour days. And, of course, evolution is just a theory.

Creationists are an appalling embarrassment to the conservative agenda.

There may in fact be limitations or shortcomings in Darwin or current theories of evolution. Einstein find the limitations of Newton's theories, after all.

But raising rational scientific challenges to Darwin does not legitimize idiotic fantasies like the one posited by Hofland, above.

Creationists need to understand that whether their view is accurate or not, it is NOT scientific, and therefore cannot be appropriately taught in any science class -- except perhaps as an object lesson in what science is NOT.

The thought that there are conservatives on FR who wave the Bible around as a scientific counter-argument to Darwin is a totally embarrassment to the credibility of this site.

[Bones75]

"The earth, according to Hofland, is about 6,000 years old. God created it in six 24-hour days. And, of course, evolution is just a theory.

Most people around here will shake their heads and wonder how anyone could think that in this day and age. "

I am one of those people. Clinging to anceint fairy tales is not helping the conservative nor the Christian cause. But hey, to each his own.

[Realism]

"My background," he admits, "did not lend itself to me being a creationist."

Born again?, in lack of a better term. Many who find god later in life tend to be, let's say enthusiastic. It's not necessarily a bad thing but can be annoying for those who have more of a comprehensive attitude toward life.

[Mr. Jeeves]

The earth, according to Hofland, is about 6,000 years old. God created it in six 24-hour days. And, of course, evolution is just a theory.

What's the Edge of the World like, Mr. Hofland, and where do the ships end up when they sail off of it? ;)

[Non-Sequitur]

Elijah Muhammad, founder of the Nation of Islam, taught his followers that black scientists created the white race in a test tube 10,000 years ago. Is that a valid theory to be taught in classrooms, too? If they don't then are they discriminating against black muslims?

[MineralMan]

"He graduated from high school (his mother was his eighth-grade biology teacher), but flunked out of college after a year and a half."

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Here's the key line in this article. Sorry, but when I'm talking about biological sciences, if the person with whom I am conversing fits this guy's educational description, I'm outa there.

Judging from the rhetoric from some of FR's creationist folks, it's not an atypical educational background.

[Drew68]

The earth, according to Hofland, is about 6,000 years old. God created it in six 24-hour days. And, of course, evolution is just a theory.

Most people around here will shake their heads and wonder how anyone could think that in this day and age. But for Hofland, it's a basic foundation of his belief system.

This guy is an idiot. Yes, idiot.

Yeah, and if my "Bible" says 2+2=3 that don't make it so.

[weegee]

Scientists are unwilling to say when A life "begins" (to protect the legality of abortion). Odd that they would be so positive about when/how ALL life began.

[Fester Chugabrew]

"God could have created the universe a day ago with everything, including people's memories intact. You can't disprove that."

Science has yet to get a grip on that nature of time. Those who subscribe to the notion of a billion-year-old earth have the same evidence as one who believes the universe is created from moment to moment. Such notions are better suited to philosophy than to hard science, but don't tell that to a dogmatic evolutionist.

[Liberal Classic]

Furtherance of the teaching of moral values in public schools would be better served if the same energy were put into lobbying state legislatures and school boards to establishment classes on religion and ethics, and to end prohibitions against student religious organizations and prayers by students and teachers. Trying to inject moral teaching into the classroom through the vector of biology and the life sciences is wrong way to approach the problem. Not only will it probably fail, but it will perpetuate the untrue stereotype that most religious people are anti-science, and is likely to turn students away from religion not towards.

[hosepipe]

If the earth was re-modeled about 6000 years ago..
Then the earth could be older...but it was the re-modeling was only 6000 years ago, or so..

Some say the Hebrew word in Genesis really was re-created.. or re-modeled.. in that case what went on "before" is a mystery.. except for a few old bones and such.. and who's to say that, that didn't happen a few other times.. when some other societies offed themselves.. Could be the TRUTH is a version of the "Planet of the apes" scenario on CRACK.. but all we have are some metaphors from the book of Genesis and few legends.. or some "scientific" IF'n...

Religious and scientific folks talling me, "TRUST ME".. gives me the heeby jeebies..

[Heartlander]

FYI…

[RadioAstronomer]

but flunked out of college after a year and a half.

Why am I not surprised.

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

I'm not, by any means, a young-earther. I'm not ruling it out, either. However, it seems to me that evolutionists have long ago made the assumption that creationism cannot be true. Therefore, anything that challenges this belief is automatically thrown out. I'm not going to get into a flamefest on this thread (I don't have the time or inclination), but it is quite telling when evolutionary arguments have an underlying ID bias - and the evolutionists either cannot see it or deny it.