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What is time?
University of Helsinki ^ | 4/15/05 | Simo Salmela

Posted on 04/16/2005 4:19:09 PM PDT by beavus

The concept of time is self-evident. An hour consists of a certain number of minutes, a day of hours and a year of days. But we rarely think about the fundamental nature of time.

Time is passing non-stop, and we follow it with clocks and calendars. Yet we cannot study it with a microscope or experiment with it. And it still keeps passing. We just cannot say what exactly happens when time passes.

Time is represented through change, such as the circular motion of the moon around the earth. The passing of time is indeed closely connected to the concept of space.

According to the general theory of relativity, space, or the universe, emerged in the Big Bang some 13.7 billion years ago. Before that, all matter was packed into an extremely tiny dot. That dot also contained the matter that later came to be the sun, the earth and the moon – the heavenly bodies that tell us about the passing of time.

Before the Big Band, there was no space or time.

“In the theory of relativity, the concept of time begins with the Big Bang the same way as parallels of latitude begin at the North Pole. You cannot go further north than the North Pole,” says Kari Enqvist, Professor of Cosmology.

One of the most peculiar qualities of time is the fact that it is measured by motion and it also becomes evident through motion.

According to the general theory of relativity, the development of space may result in the collapse of the universe. All matter would shrink into a tiny dot again, which would end the concept of time as we know it.

“Latest observations, however, do not support the idea of collapse, rather inter-galactic distances grow at a rapid pace,” Enqvist says.

If you want to know more about the topic, visit Kari Enqvist’s website at http://www.physics.helsinki.fi/~enqvist/.

Text: Simo Salmela Picture: ESO www.helsinki.fi/digitalcommunications

Translation: Valtasana Oy


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: astronomy; bigband; bigbang; cosmology; creationism; expansiontheory; physics; poofism; thefireinwhichweburn; time
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To: Tax-chick
If there's no "before," why does the author say "before"?

Two reasons:

1) The reporter isn't the Helsinki physicist, and probably doesn't realize the theory is being misrepresented

2) Limitations of the vernacular. Same limitations that prevent people from understanding the big bang theory in the first place. Some of us just can't extricate the notion of linear infinite time. Not that they are wrong in their view that time is infinite, but they ARE wrong in thinking it describes the big bang theory.

But fortunately the context of the article is clear with the statement:

"Before the Big Bang, there was no space or time."

Even though, as I said, the word "before", which implicitly presumes an existence of time, is therefore an inaccurate choice for describing an absence of time.

41 posted on 04/16/2005 5:03:18 PM PDT by beavus
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To: RadioAstronomer
This made me laugh out loud! LOL!!

Yeah yeah yeah. I noticed it, but what could I do? Misquote the article? (I actually did change it in my comment).

42 posted on 04/16/2005 5:05:23 PM PDT by beavus
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To: RadioAstronomer

I hear that Hans Koller made the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs.


43 posted on 04/16/2005 5:06:39 PM PDT by js1138 (There are 10 kinds of people: those who read binary, and those who don't.)
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To: RadioAstronomer; longshadow
My years of solitary research, enduring the scorn and derision of fools, leads me to an astounding conclusion:
Before the Big Bang there was a little foreplay.
44 posted on 04/16/2005 5:11:11 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: Tax-chick

> Gilbert and Sullivan.

:-)

G & S are timeless.


45 posted on 04/16/2005 5:12:57 PM PDT by cloud8 (Sometimes I just kill me. I really do.)
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To: Lady Jag

Great graphic!


46 posted on 04/16/2005 5:13:09 PM PDT by Rocky
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To: beavus
"Time is nature's way of keeping everything from happening all at once."

Often attributed to Woody Allen but considered by many to be original to a previous anonymous source.
47 posted on 04/16/2005 5:14:03 PM PDT by spinestein
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To: cloud8

When Fredric was a little lad.....
He proved so brave and daring.....
His father thought he'd apprentice him
to some career sea fairing.....


48 posted on 04/16/2005 5:15:00 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Tax-chick

And the big bang became god, and he/she came down to earth to save us from our "original" sins?


49 posted on 04/16/2005 5:17:28 PM PDT by conservlib
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To: tet68

> When Fredric was a little lad.....

Pirates, sung by Ruth, right? Now there was a guy lost in time...who wouldn't get out of his apprenticeship till his 21st birthday in Nineteen Forty!


50 posted on 04/16/2005 5:21:03 PM PDT by cloud8 (Sometimes I just kill me. I really do.)
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To: surfer

I enjoyed that movie.


51 posted on 04/16/2005 5:22:41 PM PDT by riri
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To: RadioAstronomer

Bud: "It is a theory of everything."
Lou: "Yeah? Well what came before it then?"
Bud: "Nothing. That is what is meant by 'EVERYTHING'."


52 posted on 04/16/2005 5:26:51 PM PDT by beavus
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To: Tax-chick
Before that, all matter was packed into an extremely tiny dot.

If there was no "before the big bang" where does the 'extremely tiny dot" come from?

53 posted on 04/16/2005 5:27:17 PM PDT by independentgrrl (The epidemy of the left is institutionalized covetousness.)
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To: beavus

The only thing these scientists know for certain, is that they don't know anything for certain...


54 posted on 04/16/2005 5:27:42 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: beavus
Motion measures Time. No motion, there's still time. Motionless.

As to the question of before the Big Band, there were itinerant musicians who walked around snapping their fingers, keeping time.

55 posted on 04/16/2005 5:31:33 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (I once opposed keelhauling but recently have come to my senses.)
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To: RadioAstronomer
Before the Big Band, there was the Charleston. Before that, there was Rag Time. Before that, there were Rimsky-Korsakov and Tchaikovsky. Before that, there was Beethoven. Before that, there was Mozart. Before that, there were Haydn and Purcell.

But there was nothing before that.

56 posted on 04/16/2005 5:35:13 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: independentgrrl
If there was no "before the big bang" where does the 'extremely tiny dot" come from?

a previous "big crunch"?

57 posted on 04/16/2005 5:38:35 PM PDT by Wormwood (Iä! Iä! Cthulhu fhtagn!)
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To: beavus
"One of the most peculiar qualities of time is the fact that it is measured by motion and it also becomes evident through motion."

This was the subject of a term paper we had to write in college physics class. I came to this same conclusion.

Time is a derivitive of motion.

If there is no motion, there is no such thing as time.

58 posted on 04/16/2005 5:41:25 PM PDT by nightdriver
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To: Wormwood; nightdriver

When between the Big Crunch and the Big Bang would time and motion cease to be?


59 posted on 04/16/2005 5:46:45 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (I once opposed keelhauling but recently have come to my senses.)
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To: beavus
Every now and then I get vivid memories of my past. For example, I recently recollected an incident in my life that took place in 1977. Since that incident occurred, I never thought of it again until now - some 28 years later!

Sometimes a song will trigger these memories. In this case, it was listening to "Living Thing" by Electric Light Orchestra. Suddenly an incident from 1977 popped into my brain and it was rather stunning to suddenly recall it all these years later.

There is a song from Pink Floyd about time that gets more and more haunting as I get older...

60 posted on 04/16/2005 5:50:30 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (Don't You Think This Outlaw Bit's Done Got Out Of Hand?)
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