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Geographic Society Is Seeking a Genealogy of Humankind
NY Times ^ | April 13, 2005 | NICHOLAS WADE

Posted on 04/13/2005 3:33:59 AM PDT by Pharmboy

A five-year project to reconstruct a genealogy of the world's populations and the migration paths of early humans from their ancestral homeland in Africa will be started today by the National Geographic Society and I.B.M., the society said in a statement.

The goal of the program is to collect 100,000 blood samples from indigenous populations around the world and analyze them genetically. Researchers at 10 local centers and at the National Geographic Society in Washington will then assign the people who give blood to lineages that trace the routes traveled by their early ancestors.

The program is an effort to accomplish the goals of the Human Genome Diversity Project, an initiative that was proposed by population geneticists in 1991.

That project ran into a political furor that prevented it from receiving substantial government support. It was denounced by some cultural anthropologists, who said that looking for genetic differences among populations was tantamount to racism. And advocates for indigenous peoples portrayed it as a "vampire project" for extracting valuable medical information from the blood of endangered tribes while giving nothing in return.

The proponents viewed their plan as complementing the Human Genome Project, then getting under way, because it would show how the sequence of DNA units in the human genome varied from one population to another. The project did proceed on a more modest basis, eventually collecting blood samples from 52 populations that were converted into 1,000 cell lines. The first major analysis, published in 2002, showed that the subjects' genomes fell into five major clusters corresponding to their continent of origin and, in effect, to their race.

This and many other studies have established that the branches of the human family tree on different continents coalesce to a single root, the ancestral human population that began to migrate from northeast Africa some 50,000 years ago. The routes of this migration are known in general outline but many details remain to be filled in.

The National Geographic's program, if it succeeds, will create a collection of blood samples 100 times larger than the Human Genome Diversity Project did. Dr. Spencer Wells, a population geneticist at the society who is leading the program, said he hoped to head off charges of exploitation by offering money to the tribes for education and cultural preservation.

Many indigenous peoples believe their ancestors have always lived in their home territory, a credo that will not be supported by genetic analysis of their blood samples. Dr. Wells said that he would "tell people up front" that some of the results may contradict what they believe. "The idea that we have all come on a journey from a common origin is intriguing to people," he said.

The program will cost at least $40 million over five years, a National Geographic Society spokeswoman said. Sources of support include the Waitt Family Foundation of San Diego and the income expected from members of the public, who will be encouraged to send in cheek swabs and learn for $99.95 which male or female lineage they belong to.

Male lineages, based on the Y chromosome, and female lineages, based on mitochondrial DNA, are mostly confined to specific continents, reflecting the fact that until recently people mostly lived and procreated in the place they were born.

Dr. Luca Cavalli-Sforza, the Stanford University population geneticist who was a leading proponent of the Human Genome Diversity Project, said the National Geographic effort would "be a major addition to our knowledge." Dr. Cavalli-Sforza, a pioneer of population genetics, is an adviser to the program.

But Dr. Kenneth Kidd, a population geneticist at Yale University, expressed reservations about the plan to preserve the blood samples as raw DNA. Because the DNA is finite, it cannot be shared with every scientist who may ask for some. In the Human Genome Diversity Project, by contrast, white blood cells from a sample were made essentially immortal before storage. Though it would cost an additional $200 to $300 to immortalize each sample, the cells last forever and the supply is inexhaustible.

The National Geographic program will develop a lot of useful information "but to me it is not a properly and fully developed kind of study" because the samples cannot be made available to everyone in the scientific community, Dr. Kidd said.

Dr. Wells said a large amount of DNA would be available from the 5 to 10 milliliters of blood drawn in each sample. He cited the extra cost of making permanent cell lines and also said that some indigenous peoples opposed the notion of having their cells live on after their deaths.

Besides tracing the routes of early human migrations, the National Geographic program will study other questions of population history like the origin of the Han Chinese, the lost homeland of the Indo-European languages and whether a genetic trail was left by the armies of Alexander the Great.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: archaeology; dna; genealogy; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; humanity; migration; races
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To: Pharmboy
This?


21 posted on 04/13/2005 7:00:19 AM PDT by null and void (innocent, incapacitated, inconvenient, and insured - a lethal combination for Terri...)
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To: Pharmboy

They're Pict on?


22 posted on 04/13/2005 7:02:01 AM PDT by null and void (innocent, incapacitated, inconvenient, and insured - a lethal combination for Terri...)
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To: Cronos

Linguistics will suffice if there are inscriptions found in context, and that will A) only tell when some specific language speakers lived somewhere, and B) only go back so far. Trying as this study will to use population stability (multiregionalism) to sell "out of Africa" (replacement) is unintentionally ironic, amusing, and bemusing.


23 posted on 04/13/2005 7:06:01 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (FR profiled updated Monday, April 11, 2005. Fewer graphics, faster loading.)
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To: PatrickHenry
Don't let them take your blood or your picture! They're trying to steal your spirit!!
24 posted on 04/13/2005 7:06:10 AM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: Pharmboy

Way cool. I'm going to do it. Wonder if they are doing just mtDNA or Y-chromosome, too?


25 posted on 04/13/2005 7:14:23 AM PDT by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defence of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: PatrickHenry

Thanks for the ping!


26 posted on 04/13/2005 7:27:27 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Cronos
" Weeeellll, NO. The English are among the most mixed up folks in the world (and I personally think they mostly got the best traits of each group that intermingled): they got the Celtic, Saxon, Norman, French, etc. roots mixed with a whole bunch of immigrants from other parts of Europe and now from all over the world" guess they never inherited their dental plan.
27 posted on 04/13/2005 7:30:01 AM PDT by Vaquero ("There is nothing lower than the human race - except the french." (Mark Twain))
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To: null and void

"Male migration"/

The only reason a male will get up and go is if there is more beer somewhere else, or more women - in that order.


28 posted on 04/13/2005 7:44:54 AM PDT by furball4paws (Ho, Ho, Beri, Beri and Balls!)
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To: null and void

Uhhhhhh. I thought the Garden of Eden (Adam) was in Iraq?


29 posted on 04/13/2005 7:52:47 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic (" I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just. " A. Lincoln)
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To: null and void

A 4 groaner...excellent.


30 posted on 04/13/2005 7:53:04 AM PDT by Pharmboy ("Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God")
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To: afraidfortherepublic

In Hebrew school I learned that the Garden of Eden was where the Tigris and Euphrates met...so, my Rabbi would agree with you.


31 posted on 04/13/2005 7:55:37 AM PDT by Pharmboy ("Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God")
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To: Pharmboy

This sounds like a fascinating project. Male membersof part of my family have donn this cheek swab DNA test in attempt to differentiate themselves from another family of the same name. It seems to have worked. Neither family seems to have any common members, thus proving that they are two separate groups bearing the same name. Understandable, but confusing to their descendants.


32 posted on 04/13/2005 7:56:43 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic (" I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just. " A. Lincoln)
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To: Pharmboy

Sorry for the typos. My fingers are too cold this AMto work properly! Happy to agree with a Rabbi.


33 posted on 04/13/2005 7:59:05 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic (" I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just. " A. Lincoln)
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To: Pharmboy

"No, you leftist idiots, it's just describing what's there."

There is at least one other area that falls into this category - intelligence. The PC and left groups studiously avoid this area. But the evidence is clear - two people of above average intelligence have a better than 50-50 chance of having an above average intelligence child. There are many other factors, of course, but genetics plays a role.

Two major groups fight this, blacks and Jews. With blacks it is easy to understand since for many years they were considered inferior. My experience does not support this. But Jews are another question. I think it is because they have been picked on for millenia and don't wan't this kind of information to play a role or be distorted. Hitler thought Jews were inferior and he sought to prove it. Obviously that didn't work.

There was one study NAZI "Scientists" did that relates to this. They studied how Jews reacted to the following game (I may have the details wrong, but the gist is correct). Give a pair of dice. Tell the subject that when he/she rolls 6 identical rolls in a row, he will be taken out and shot (and of course, being NAZIs they followed through). Jews reacted in two ways. Some played as slowly as possible to stretch out the time. Others played rapidly as possible since they knew the ultimate outcome and presumably wanted "to get it over". Then they rounded up a couple of Nordic types (Norwegians I believe) and did the same thing to show the superiority of the Nordic races. Unfortunately for the NAZI "Scientists", the Nordics behaved the same way. Needless to say, that project was cancelled, and I believe it's mentor was also eliminated. How would you like to practice science in NAZI Germany or Stalinist Russia?

It is easy to see the resistance of these groups to this kind of information, but I think there should be a way of doing these studies without stirring up too much controversy.

I am looking forward to this study in your post. I am not happy with the National Geographic, but the data should be very revealing, if the crackpot spins that are sure to follow can be minimized.


34 posted on 04/13/2005 8:06:55 AM PDT by furball4paws (Ho, Ho, Beri, Beri and Balls!)
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To: Pharmboy

There once was a man named Adam,
With wife Eve and sons Able and Cain,
And a serpant who gave not a damn,
So they were pushed out of Eden, that's plain.

Their family beget families, and so on,
And it grew to outrival the sea,
Till a man named Noah built a boat, mon,
He set sail by the twos, not the threes.

But Lucy is everyone's auntie,
That's what digger-types like to say,
They can't 'splain how she got in the family,
But they claim she did, once, anyway!

Sorry if the frivolity is out of place. I'm just in a good mood, and a human race geneological tree sounded a bit odd to me.


35 posted on 04/13/2005 8:07:22 AM PDT by MortMan (Quiet reflection does not involve a mirror.)
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To: SunkenCiv; Pharmboy; blam
Thanks:

Tracing Humanity's Genetic Roots

The Genographic Project, a National Geographic Society-IBM alliance, is the first to map our ancestors' migration, using cells the public submits



Nick D'Onofrio has always been proud of his Italian heritage. The IBM ( ) senior vice-president of technology is a second-generation American, and his grandparents came from the boot south of Rome. So he was shocked when he learned in February that his ancestry stretched back to the Middle East's Fertile Crescent. "Nobody was more flabbergasted than me at the news," says D'Onofrio. "I said, 'What? I'm Italian!'"..................

More at the Link.

36 posted on 04/13/2005 8:49:22 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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To: Pharmboy

15mm miniatures. Do you game?


37 posted on 04/13/2005 9:02:35 AM PDT by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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To: Pharmboy

I bet this "project" will be infultrated by some groups that want to establish genetic "imputirty" in OTHER cultures.


38 posted on 04/13/2005 9:06:45 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

and that little clip will be used to justify the islamists takin all of europe.


39 posted on 04/13/2005 9:13:49 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: CobaltBlue

When Wells did his earlier, more limited study, he used only the Y.


40 posted on 04/13/2005 9:25:11 AM PDT by GoLightly
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