The price of freedom': More bodies (Josh Sugarmann VPC ALERT!!!!!)

Charlotte Observor ^ | 4-2-05 | Josh Sugarmann

[Dan from Michigan]

Josh Suckermann at it again.

[Dan from Michigan]

That would be redundent. Josh Sugarmann is rather imfamous among most 2a activists.

[joshhiggins]

"We are just paying "the price of freedom."

I thought the Minnesota mass murderer took the guns from his grandfather , who was a law officer? Couldn't this also be referred to as "the price of law enforcement"?

[bdfromlv]

You tell of a product that has killed 18 people in a month and has probably killed less than 10,000 nation wide in a year. the product did not kill any of those people other people did. Angry a$$ wipes who if the responsible owner controlled them properly might have saved 2000 of those lives and criminals with no respect for anything caused the rest of the deaths. Ban them, restrict their use, etc why not enforce the 20,000 laws already in effect.
What do you say about the product that has killed the most people. NOT A PEEP out of you when 50,000 people die and 250,000 more are injured by AUTOMOBILES. We have far fewer of them than we have guns and they are parked in every school ground parking lot waiting for some hormonally imbalanced teen to jump in and race away. Yes those tragic deaths by insane teens should not have happened but we have a constitutional right to have weapons. I didn't see the amendment about SUV's. Training and responsible law enforcement is all we need.

[SteamShovel]

We are just paying "the price of freedom."

Actually, I'd say it's the price of liberalism. Kids raised without parents, dumbing down education so that every student can feel good about being average, violence in the city slums that we cannot fight but "must try to understand the reasons for the person's feelings and action", banning even a word about religion in public places under the "separation of church and state", MTV and it's 'gangsta rap' drivel. I could go on. It's not surprising that a kid could become so detached he does not know right from wrong. The kid is to blame, and ultimately society's decay is to blame. The gun(s) are not responsible, the person is.

[TheDon]

The blessing of freedom: Less bodies

[lowbridge]

The price of freedom': More bodies

[freespirited]

They are unwilling to acknowledge the basic fact that America's gun violence problem is a direct result of the ease with which Americans can obtain virtually any gun of their choice for almost any intent.

Some areas of the country have relatively little gun violence and some have a lot. If the explanation for gun violence is ease of getting a gun, you'd expect to be able to show that it's easy where violence is high and difficult where violence is low. I have my doubts that what explains low violence areas is that there's just nowhere around to buy a gun.

[facedown]

America's gun death toll, he (Harlon Carter) explained, was simply "the price of freedom."

An old lie, twice warmed over.

Misfiring at Harlon Carter

[attiladhun2]

Again, we have to go over this for dumb-a$$ anti-gunners. There is not a scintilla of evidence that the availability of firearms causes an increase in homicide. In Israel firearms are common, yet homicide rates are low. In Switzerland infantry small arms are kept in private homes by members of the Swiss National Guard. Switzerland has very low homicide rates. In states with the least firearms restrictions there is often lower homicide rates than in states and municipalities with severe restrictions. Los Angeles and Washington D.C. have heavy firearms restrictions and high homicide.rates.
Lack of moral values causes murder and every other type of crime. When I was in high school I had all kinds of difficulties with fellow students and teachers. Being in a rural area we had several firearms in the house. Not once did I consider offing anyone I had a dispute with. Reason: moral values. When moral values are restricted you will have not just homicide, but out-of wedlock births, dope addiction, theft, vandalism, etc. When a child has a strong sense of community and moral values, to take up a weapon to get revenge or to assert himself will simply not enter his mind. The world is filled with all kinds of instruments capable of creating death and destruction besides firearms.

[driftless]

The anti-gun people never refer to incidents where the availability of a firearm either stopped a crime in progress or prevented a crime from happening. According to people like Sugarman, people never use guns for self-defense. And naturally the overwhelmingly anti-gun media supports people who present half the facts like Sugarman does.

Why don't they publish a list of all the people who were killed because they didn't have a weapon to defend themselves with. John Wayne Gacy murdered all his victims without using guns if I'm not mistaken. Many more murderers, serial killers (Ted Bundy, etc) and otherwise, didn't resort to firearms to murder their victims. How many murders could have been prevented if some of the victims had been armed. We'll never know.

[absalom01]

No doubt Josh is himself the source of the distorted quote.

Amazing.

[tet68]

too many Americans love their guns more than they love their children.

I don't have any children so I just have to love my guns
more, and it shows.

[Sender]

I don't love my guns more than my children. However my guns are more reliable and useful :^)

[wtc911]

Roughly 30,000 gun deaths in the US per year, but who's counting...

[BenLurkin]

I love my children so much that I want them to always own firearms -- and to practice frequently.


And to stock up on ammo!

[GoodWithBarbarians JustForKaos]

Thank you for the link to the truth on Carter!

[Drew68]

too many Americans love their guns more than they love their children

And nobody loves mass shootings more than Josh Sugarmann.