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Josh Suckermann at it again.
1 posted on 04/09/2005 3:36:16 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan
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To: Dan from Michigan
"We are just paying "the price of freedom."

I thought the Minnesota mass murderer took the guns from his grandfather , who was a law officer? Couldn't this also be referred to as "the price of law enforcement"?

5 posted on 04/09/2005 3:56:19 PM PDT by joshhiggins
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To: Dan from Michigan
You tell of a product that has killed 18 people in a month and has probably killed less than 10,000 nation wide in a year. the product did not kill any of those people other people did. Angry a$$ wipes who if the responsible owner controlled them properly might have saved 2000 of those lives and criminals with no respect for anything caused the rest of the deaths. Ban them, restrict their use, etc why not enforce the 20,000 laws already in effect.
What do you say about the product that has killed the most people. NOT A PEEP out of you when 50,000 people die and 250,000 more are injured by AUTOMOBILES. We have far fewer of them than we have guns and they are parked in every school ground parking lot waiting for some hormonally imbalanced teen to jump in and race away. Yes those tragic deaths by insane teens should not have happened but we have a constitutional right to have weapons. I didn't see the amendment about SUV's. Training and responsible law enforcement is all we need.
6 posted on 04/09/2005 4:10:02 PM PDT by bdfromlv (leavenworth hard time)
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To: Dan from Michigan
We are just paying "the price of freedom."

Actually, I'd say it's the price of liberalism. Kids raised without parents, dumbing down education so that every student can feel good about being average, violence in the city slums that we cannot fight but "must try to understand the reasons for the person's feelings and action", banning even a word about religion in public places under the "separation of church and state", MTV and it's 'gangsta rap' drivel. I could go on. It's not surprising that a kid could become so detached he does not know right from wrong. The kid is to blame, and ultimately society's decay is to blame. The gun(s) are not responsible, the person is.

7 posted on 04/09/2005 4:10:38 PM PDT by SteamShovel
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To: Dan from Michigan

The blessing of freedom: Less bodies


8 posted on 04/09/2005 4:13:11 PM PDT by TheDon (Euthanasia is an atrocity.)
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To: Dan from Michigan
The price of freedom': More bodies


9 posted on 04/09/2005 4:29:13 PM PDT by lowbridge
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To: Dan from Michigan
They are unwilling to acknowledge the basic fact that America's gun violence problem is a direct result of the ease with which Americans can obtain virtually any gun of their choice for almost any intent.

Some areas of the country have relatively little gun violence and some have a lot. If the explanation for gun violence is ease of getting a gun, you'd expect to be able to show that it's easy where violence is high and difficult where violence is low. I have my doubts that what explains low violence areas is that there's just nowhere around to buy a gun.

10 posted on 04/09/2005 4:30:33 PM PDT by freespirited
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To: Dan from Michigan
America's gun death toll, he (Harlon Carter) explained, was simply "the price of freedom."

An old lie, twice warmed over.

Misfiring at Harlon Carter

11 posted on 04/09/2005 4:35:47 PM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: Dan from Michigan
The anti-gun people never refer to incidents where the availability of a firearm either stopped a crime in progress or prevented a crime from happening. According to people like Sugarman, people never use guns for self-defense. And naturally the overwhelmingly anti-gun media supports people who present half the facts like Sugarman does.

Why don't they publish a list of all the people who were killed because they didn't have a weapon to defend themselves with. John Wayne Gacy murdered all his victims without using guns if I'm not mistaken. Many more murderers, serial killers (Ted Bundy, etc) and otherwise, didn't resort to firearms to murder their victims. How many murders could have been prevented if some of the victims had been armed. We'll never know.

13 posted on 04/09/2005 4:47:53 PM PDT by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: Dan from Michigan

too many Americans love their guns more than they love their children.

I don't have any children so I just have to love my guns
more, and it shows.


15 posted on 04/09/2005 5:18:57 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Dan from Michigan

I love my children so much that I want them to always own firearms -- and to practice frequently.


And to stock up on ammo!


18 posted on 04/09/2005 5:41:36 PM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: Dan from Michigan
too many Americans love their guns more than they love their children

And nobody loves mass shootings more than Josh Sugarmann.

20 posted on 04/09/2005 5:48:12 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: Dan from Michigan

No Josh, the death toll was courtesy of groups like the VPC. Because there were no armed citizens there to defend themselves.

Mark


32 posted on 04/10/2005 6:11:48 AM PDT by MarkL (I've got a fever, and the only prescription is MORE COWBELL!!!)
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To: Dan from Michigan

Man, what sparkling logic. Quite a recommendation for the public school system.


35 posted on 04/10/2005 10:27:28 AM PDT by Fido969
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To: Dan from Michigan

When this guy dies, it'll be a great day. He's one of the biggest enemies of freedom out there, as bad as Brady if not worse.


37 posted on 04/10/2005 12:11:12 PM PDT by LAURENTIJ
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To: Dan from Michigan
Attention has focused on virtually everything except the actual tools -- reportedly two handguns and a shotgun -- that made the massacre possible.

I guess Josh, assault weapons, Sugarman would rather that these messed up kids just used gasoline instead?

Or maybe he thinks the police should be disarmed since the guns used in the MN incident were stolen from a policeman and then used to kill him.

Of course Wisconsin, were the church service shooting occurred in one of only four states with no civilian concealed carry provisions, and in many states with such provisions, churches and church services are "off limits" for concealed carry.

Both incidents occurred in "unarmed victims zones".

38 posted on 04/10/2005 2:50:09 PM PDT by El Gato (Activist Judges can twist the Constitution into anything they want ... or so they think.)
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To: Dan from Michigan

Haven't heard much from the anti-gun lobby lately. It must be time for them to send out a mailing begging for money. Anybody know what sugarman's salary is?


40 posted on 04/10/2005 2:53:16 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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