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Jeb Bush - Damned if you do - Damned if you don't
March 30, 2005 | watchdog_writer

Posted on 03/30/2005 6:44:50 PM PST by watchdog_writer

           I have great respect for Ambassador Keyes, and for his acumen, but his article on World Net Daily suggesting that if Governor Bush does not call out the State Police, or I assume, also the National Guard to save Terri’s life, he is derelict in his duty. Ambassador Keys owes us a better argument than the practically off the cuff argument in his article. Ambassador Keyes is not alone in his harsh criticism of Governor Bush, but I am not with them in this.

      When Governor Bush moved the legislature of Florida to pass Terri’s Law it did so in two days. Arguably the Governor had sufficient constitutional power without passing a special bill. Under Article IV, Section (8)(a) of the Constitution of Florida 1968, the Governor has the right to grant pardons, restore civil rights, as well as other executive powers. Florida courts have abstained from becoming involved in this admitted matter of executive grace.  The action taken by Governor Bush pursuant to Terri’s Law simply guaranteed to Terri her constitutional rights. The bill did not change any law that applied to her case; nevertheless, judges declared Terri’s Law unconstitutional.

      Terri’s case has given the pro-life advocates much to be angry about, but it was not Jeb Bush who decided to starve Terri that was Judge Greer. It was not Jeb Bush who stood in front of cameras and told the world, as Terri was being starved to death, that she looked peaceful and contented, that was George Felos, the same attorney that outlawyered Pamela Campbell. Jeb Bush was not the one who gave Ms. Campbell awards for being an outstanding attorney, that was the St. Petersburg Bar Association.  It was not Jeb Bush that refused to give Terri a new trial that was the Federal Bench That the National Guard is not marching in Pinellas County has outraged pro-life advocates more than what they view as judicial tyranny.

The power of the courts to decide whether or not life support should be continued or discontinued does not result from any inherent power of the government to order such a result. The decision is not even one to be made by the surrogate of the incompetent, only the court can decide if the facts and circumstances of the case meet the judicial criteria set forth in prior decisions and statutes. It is now proper therefore for Governor Bush, regardless of his personal beliefs, not to order the feeding tubes to be reconnected after a court of competent jurisdiction has ordered their removal.

The fallacy of Ambassador Keyes’ argument is that he fails to honor the rule of law, and he disregards the fact that while we can question Judge Greer’s decision, his was a court of competent jurisdiction. The parties were given due process according to each and every judge who considered the case, although I believe that in such cases a jury should decide; and, yes the process was flawed, but the order was issued by a court of competent jurisdiction, and in my opinion, it would be executive tyranny for the Governor to mobilize the police power of the state to contravene a lawful order of the court, no matter how much he may disagree with the verdict. 

The authority of the court to order the removal of the feeding tubes from Terri Marie was based upon the law in effect at the time of that decision, but when the State Legislature passed subsequent legislation, the judge’s decision was at that moment in time in conflict with the law.  Courts in such situations often grant injunctions that require compliance by either affirmative action or non-action.  In fact in Terri Marie’s case the court did issue an order to remove the tubes, and then later, in compliance with a duly enacted law, the tubes were reinserted in order to maintain the status quo, and to prevent irreparable harm.

Terri’s Law gave the Governor the clear statutory authority to order the tubes to be reconnected, in doing so Governor Bush did nothing more than any judge in the judicial branch would have the authority to do. He acted responsibly and compassionately by using his executive power to enforce legislation. It is his sworn duty to uphold the constitution of the State of Florida and the Laws of the State duly enacted by the Florida Legislature pursuant to their Constitutional authority.

When Governor Bush ordered the doctors to reconnect Terri to life sustaining nutrients, he did not act arbitrarily, nor did the Legislature grant some special power to the Governor. The Legislature responded, as they should have to a public outcry by changing the law. Courts do this very same thing every day of the year in every State and Federal court.  Courts make law when they decide cases, and when the tide of public opinion changes, their decisions change.

We have seen the courts overturn decisions that violated the civil rights of innocent people powerless to defend themselves against ignorance and prejudice. The collective conscience of a free people is embodied in every branch of government. The legislature that defines it, the courts that explain it, and the executive that enforces it. When government responds to the will of the majority, filtered through moral elected representatives, guided by tradition, and protective of the fundamental rights guaranteed by the State and Federal Constitutions, there is no greater institution. May God comfort Terri Marie and her family, and God bless Governor Bush. He has done all that is within his power.

 


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To: Dark Knight
I really don't blame Jeb for this, but he did sign the rule including food/hydration withdrawl as life support.

I'm not familiar with the "rule" your taking about. Do you have a citation?

21 posted on 03/30/2005 7:01:21 PM PST by watchdog_writer
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To: Aussie Dasher
he fails to honor the rule of law, and he disregards the fact that while we can question Judge Greer’s decision, his was a court of competent jurisdiction. The parties were given due process according to each and every judge who considered the case

You don't get the big picture do you? When the judicial system, as a branch of government, fails to enforce the law of the land, according to the judgment of either the legislature, or the executive office. Then either of those branches can act to restraint the Judicial Branch. That is what separation of power is all about. It is not about whether Jeb Bush pushed to send the case through 50 judicial appeals. Each branch is sworn to obey the law of the land, and each branch is free to render judgment upon the law. The legislature acts by changing the law, and the executive, by refusing to allow its enforcement.

What is with people that they automatically default all judgment to the judicial branch? Why do you think we elect the other branches for in the first place. The elected branches speak for the people, and it is we the people who ultimately decide which law and which type of government we will live under. If any of the three branches can be deemed to be illegitimate, it should be the one that is furthest from the popular will.
22 posted on 03/30/2005 7:01:44 PM PST by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: bjs1779
Last I checked, the court has no troops to support their murder. Jeb has troops.

So did the Bolsheviks.

23 posted on 03/30/2005 7:03:51 PM PST by watchdog_writer
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To: Aussie Dasher
"Where does the buck stop?"

With the State and Federal Judges that both condemned her to death.
The Federal one took Jeb out of this.

Michael is also looking for millions after her death in book, movie and speaking deals as the new darling of the culture of death.

24 posted on 03/30/2005 7:04:41 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: ARCADIA
When the judicial system, as a branch of government, fails to enforce the law of the land, according to the judgment of either the legislature, or the executive office. Then either of those branches can act to restraint the Judicial Branch.

Exactly! We just just ain't got anyone with balls enough to do it.

25 posted on 03/30/2005 7:04:50 PM PST by bjs1779 (I fed Terri small mouthfuls of Jello, which she swallowed and enjoyed immensely" Cna H.Law 1997)
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To: watchdog_writer
"The way the system works is that the legislature passes laws, the Governor executes then until the courts declare them to be unconstitutional."

No, that's the way the courts WANT you to think it works, and it "has" worked that way because the legislatures have refused to exercise their full powers. The legislative branch was and is supposed to be the final arbiter---NOT the courts. The legislature can change the state Constitution---the legislature can impeach judges. That it has thus far refused to exercise these powers doesn't mean they don't HAVE the power.

"We need to be looking at how corrupt our court system has become filled with activist judges who impose their will on the majority of us."

Yes, and one of the remedies is for the legislature to remove justices from office (by impeachment) for such malfeasment of office.

26 posted on 03/30/2005 7:05:25 PM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: watchdog_writer
"The fallacy of Ambassador Keyes’ argument is that he fails to honor the rule of law..."

Argue the law and constitutionality after safeguarding Terri's life. While the parties argue, Terri slips toward an irreversible end. Move her from her husband's and his lawyer's control. Restore her feeding tube. Then argue all you want.

28 posted on 03/30/2005 7:07:44 PM PST by etcetera (No man is entitled to the blessings of freedom, unless he be vigilant in its preservation.)
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To: watchdog_writer

If you don't really have anything new to say, maybe you should cut back on the vanities.


29 posted on 03/30/2005 7:08:49 PM PST by BCrago66
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To: watchdog_writer
So did the Bolsheviks.

What was their intention? To murder, or save life.

30 posted on 03/30/2005 7:09:30 PM PST by bjs1779 (I fed Terri small mouthfuls of Jello, which she swallowed and enjoyed immensely" Cna H.Law 1997)
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To: watchdog_writer

It would have helped if the Schindlers got attorneys that were not better suited to storefronts in malls.


31 posted on 03/30/2005 7:09:32 PM PST by HitmanLV
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To: watchdog_writer

2 Branches out of three in the State Government decided at one time that she was not being fairly treated.

One branch out of three Overruled them.

That One branch has set itself up as a dictator over Elected Representatives.

That one branch should have it's offices occupied by State Troops until such time as it can be brought back under control.

No, he has NOT done all that he can do.

He's only done all that was politically expediant to do.


32 posted on 03/30/2005 7:10:24 PM PST by Leatherneck_MT (3-7-77 (No that's not a Date))
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To: watchdog_writer

Thank you. This definitely needed to be said.


33 posted on 03/30/2005 7:11:03 PM PST by unbalanced but fair
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To: BCrago66

I think that rule went by the books about two weeks ago.


34 posted on 03/30/2005 7:12:29 PM PST by unbalanced but fair
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To: William Creel

Then Terri Schiavo has been denied "due process"? If that's what you're saying, then I guess we might agree.

But, as for it getting "over with", I don't think that's going to happen. Oh, she'll die alright, but it won't be over.


35 posted on 03/30/2005 7:12:47 PM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: watchdog_writer

There's no "fallacy" in Keyes's argument.

Any "law" or set of "laws" or court orders, etc., that result in the murder of an innocent woman, are null.

Jeb Bush's obligation to save Terri's life remains in full force, no matter what fictitious "laws" some will claim he is violating.

The alternative to Keyes's argument is dictatorship by judges, exercising unlimited power over life and death. That is the alternative you are promoting, and which Jeb Bush is promoting by pretending to be unable to save Terri.


36 posted on 03/30/2005 7:16:13 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: Wonder Warthog
Bush should send in the state police, with himself at the head, and tell the local cops to stand down.

What a frightening concept: to expect the government to send in troops whenever the chief executive doesn't agree with a court ruling. Sounds a bit too Soviet for my liking.

37 posted on 03/30/2005 7:17:13 PM PST by mountaineer
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To: ARCADIA
Please tell me what law of the land Judge Greer violated? Judges who conduct a bench trial have discretion to decide the facts of the case. It seem that the evidence presented did not satisfy the clear and convincing test, but when we put these cases into the hands of judges like Greer, we are the ones to blame for the outcome. He was elected by less than 2000 voters. Do you expect that these same voters will return Judge Greer to the bench in the next election? Don't be surprised if they do, because Judge Greer will be the darling of the MSM, and unless you live in a cave, you know how misinformed the average voter is.
38 posted on 03/30/2005 7:18:00 PM PST by watchdog_writer
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To: William Creel
If one branch flat out ignores one of the others, we have a constitutional crisis, and that's not good.

A constitutional crisis, is a built-in reset, within the legitimate structure of our government. The real risk, is when you fail to trigger that process and instead end up with an extra-constitutional crisis. That is when bullets start flying, building get blown up, and we start to resemble last year's political process in Iraq. There are people out here who feel that the courts are wrongfully killing innocent people. You may agree with them, or disagree with them; but that is a very dangerous attitude to running through your population.
39 posted on 03/30/2005 7:19:22 PM PST by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: bjs1779; watchdog_writer
"..Last I checked, the court has no troops to support their murder. Jeb has troops..."

Actually, viewed in a particular way, the courts do have troops. They have the power to issue contempt of court judgements, without further review, I believe. It is this power to financially carve up anyone who disagrees with them, or stands in their way, that sets them apart from the other branches of government, and enables a creeping tyranny.

If Governor Bush or various legislators wish to penalize those with who they disagree, they may arrest them, but must,in the end, rely on a conviction/judgement from the courts to penalize. The only certain check is the power of the Governor to pardon. How can this apply to civil issues? Should this not be explored, even if it is too late in this case?

I cannot believe that the power seized by the judiciary was ever envisioned in the founding of the Republic. But many here perhaps can help me and others to a fuller understanding.

Excellent post, watchdog...

40 posted on 03/30/2005 7:20:21 PM PST by pickrell (Old dog, new trick...sort of)
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