Posted on 03/23/2005 5:35:31 PM PST by gentlestrength
The spiritual advisor of the Schindlers, Bro. O'Donnell, said the Dept. of Children and Families has had a new physician examine Terri and that "he DID go into her room and WAS at her side and DID observe her."
Department of Children and Families, are the department if someone is being physically abused, or the elderly, and "they have the authority" to take her into protective custody.
He continued, "what is being done to her now constitutes" that, and that DCF should "be taking her into protective custody."
Cooper: "Aren't people being taken off feeding tubes all the time?" Brother O'Donnell: "When they're DYING. But she was not dying. She could live another 20, 40 years."
"She's the only person who has been COURT ORDERED to have her tubes removed. Not 'The guardian MAY" but the guardian 'shall' remove her tubes."
CNN checked on the facticity of this last claim, and found that "There is ONLY ONE other case, Nancy Beth Cuzan in which the court ordered the tube MUST be removed."
Dr.Sanjay Gupta says if Terri is in the minimally conscious state, her eyes open spontaneously. She must do one of the following: --follow simple commands (to show she can hear and understand) --give yes or no responses
Sure it is, you can get your belly cut open and your throat cut in your friendly neighborhood bar and there will be no witnesses. But, then your family can go to the USA and meet the president and ask for his help!!!!
"Some people will look up the raw material and discover the poster is not reliably credible (or is a fraud!), but most readers won't, and some readers will be persauded by the propoganda."
Are you claiming FR posts are not "reliably credible," and "propaganda"??
I see the anguish on the parents faces and frankly I see it on her husband. He character is not stellar but I do believe that his actions are as honorable as her parents.
From what I have read her husband spent several years after the accident making sure Terri would get the care that he hoped would bring her back to him. The sign of a loving husband. Perhaps at the time he was denying her wishes to selfishly keep her alive because he could not let go. I have heard many on each side point out that it might be true but are colored by his actions now. Her parents had in the past years ago felt that their son-in-law was doing right by their daughter.
I can understand the motives on both parties. Yet, to get congress involved, oh wait that is for another discussion later. Congress gave an opportunity to have the records reviewed they DID NOT demand the court act a certain way but the Schindler supporters were angry. It is like if they do not like the court order then you find another court and try again.
Earlier I had heard that Gov. Bush had given a presser that protective services was entering the picture. After 15 years wow, come on, what took so long. Why is more important now then 2 years ago? Then another doctor came into the picture and he offered the Gov some new info that said that she is not vegetative status, where was he the last 7 years. Frankly it is disturbing that we all can read about the folks who saw them but none have come on the record to support their side. Could it be if she had been incorrectly diagnosed that a person can get sued. I do not know but it is something to consider.
We would want to do all we can if it were our loved one. Yes, but at some point it must end. One side will be very sad in the end and it is heart wrenching.
These are my thoughts as of today. I always keep an open mind. I cannot see into the marriage of the Schiavos marriage or relationship she had with her parents but in the end she is his wife and it is his duty and honor to in fact honor her. Frankly I do not see either party doing it for Terri. It is for the parents a body to visit, to talk to but not to reply. The husband wants to move on with his life, it is about him. What were Terri's wishes? She had told friends and her husband that she would not want to be maintained in such a fashion.
It reminds me of when a loved one dies. Those surviving the deceased have to deal with the loss, we have funerals to honor those we love and we gather to talk about the loved one but it is not for the deceased but for the person(s) left behind.
He is doing just that. I know he his character is less then desirable and yes he has found comfort with another woman. Again, if this were me I would not want my husband to stop smelling the flowers, enjoying our pups' living in the past.
Finally, I am all for states rights. I am glad that Gov. Bush took interest in the last time of the feeding tube not be reinserted. He gave time for a review and that has occurred. I am outraged with Congress. I believe in the separation of powers. It is not it's place to stick it's nose into the issue of Ms. Schiavo.
I wonder if her families lawyers had said to the courts that she did not get the care they thought she would have had and we much offer that care based on what they know now. Like getting the PET scan. Like trying exercises. It seems like that could be the stronger argument as it results to her case.
I can tell you what tears me up. We have excelled in the area of machines keeping our bodies alive. I realize that are times when someone comes our of a long coma but it is rare. Her feeding tube is not a machine but she cannot tell you if she is hungry so for me it is a machine keeping her alive. I actually learned today that having feeding tube is a life saving machine.
This is my personal opinion. I believe in life. I believe in states rights. Lastly, I believe in the bond of marriage and that my spouse if alive will make decisions as it pertains to my life when I cannot.
And as usual we can agree to disagree with respect and kindness.
My prayers go to Terri and all those who love her.
Obviously, some FR posters are not reliably credible. And yes, many posts are in the nature of propaganda. I'm not complaining, just making an observation. There is much better opportunity to get to the truth of the matter from FR than from any media outlet. But the honesty and accuracy of a given post is far from guaranteed.
Then again, maybe I missed your /sarc tag ;-)
All of those tapes were ordered sealed by Greer. He ordered no other exams be given, period.
"Her higher brain functions are long gone and they will not come back."
I had relatives and have known others that were born without your precious higher brain functions. They lived happy lives, because those around them cared to provide for them.
"MS tried for three years to help her."
MS ran a con for the cash and changed his tune right after they gave it to him.
"Her Cerebral Cortex is GONE!!!. Look at her CAT scan. Can you see the huge hole in the middle of her brain. Why bother with an MRI when it's obvious there is nothing there."
Given the fact that she can follow a balloon and the doc acknowledged it on the tape you refered to, your CAT scan analysis sucks.
You apparently like to jump to conclusions not just on this case, but in inferring my beliefs and motives.
I have no problem with Pearse
I do have a problem with Cranford and Felos
You seem to miss that Terri's parents "forgot" all those phone calls Carla made to them, never once referring to them when it was so critical that they do so
I made it clear all along that I did *not* want them to pull her tube under these circumstances. I just have objective reasons for it and despise all the lies or half-truths that are told here and at the advocacy sites.
That is just it! Hammesfahr is NOT a "Nobel Prize Nominee"! He lies!
He has been asked to cease and desist claiming to be so.
Would you trust a man who told such a lie?
His report is misleading and he refused to answer for at trial - he was bailed out by Pat Anderson, who was smart enough to not put it in evidence. His "startling revelations" interview everyone loves to quote is so full of misinfo it's disgusting.
He is "widely renowned" to most as a quack. He does good stuff treating whiplash and minor strokes if caught early enough with his patented use of vasodilators for those things.
And I promise you I haven't blindly followed anyone. I can't afford to. I needed to report the facts, so I had to go find them. 1300 pages of them. Sorry, reading wild rumors on a forum doesn't equate to research.
Prepare to be flamed. Intelligent conversation is all but gone on FR when you don't take "the right side."
People would rather believe gossip and innuendo than sworn testimony. I appreciate your support and wish you well. It's been an ugly week around here.
See my last post.
You're right. It's not worth it. I'm heavily medicated right now and no doubt will regret speaking my mind.
I'm going to leave it at this, ignore the 50 other posts I've seen on this thread that give false information and just refer everyone to my freeper page and posting history.
'nite.
One was a lawyer. Try again.
So is the lack of intelligent conversation and people talking about something they know NOTHING about. Well, except what the internet gossip tells them, that is.
Are you still seriously questioning whether hundreds of people every single day have their feeding tubes disconnected?
Come on. Have you read one single GAL report?
Last week the mantra was "But Terri wasn't represented by a lawyer."
Now that they've all been informed that Wolfson is a lawyer the mantra is but none of them were doctors.
I'm not doing your homework for you or anybody else. I've posted the links, the timelines, the names, etc. If you're that interested, start reading. It what I did.
Although why I bothered I'll never know. Since so many freepers (not you) seem to think that internet doctors have so much more reliability than real doctors who actually treated Terri.
ROFL! I've been thinking the same thing.
Good luck, girls. Y'all have more patience than I. Or maybe I just can't do it after 2 months trying and seeing the same lies go unchecked by those who know they are lies.
Time4Atlas2Shrug, look at this recent thread - a few posts on there go into detail about Hammesfahr.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1369004/posts
And sedated so the convulsions the deprivation would normally cause beginning around this time will not embarrass Felos and HINO.
I know their actions come from the heart, though struggling with that one. It has been many years and frankly if she were not getting the care or that she received not only bad care when she first collapsed. If one can get the protective services to enter at this time they must have had something to pursue this long ago. Of course this is from an insider looking in. As for Congress, I understand your points and will it at that.
Thanks for the comment, it was appreciated.
Seems some patrons of the "New Media" have studied and learned well the worst tactics of the "Old Media".
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