Picture of the children arresting for trying to bring Terry [Schiavo] water (God Bless Them!)

US News ^ | 3/23/05

[areafiftyone]

Pinellas Park police Lt. Kevin Riley, standing upper right, prepares to arrest members of the Keys family as they were attempting to bring Terri Schiavo water Wednesday morning, March 23, 2005 outside the Woodside Hospice in Pinellas Park, Fla. The Keys family, of Burnet, Tex., kneeling, from left, Josie, 14, Gabriel, 10, Chris, the children's father, and Cameron 12, were all taken into custody. Galen Keys, upper left, the children's mother looks on, but was not arrested.The mother insists it was the children's idea: "I am proud of them," said the boys' mother Geilen Keys from Texas, who was not arrested. "They are very mature and they said 'we want to go and offer some water to Terri'."

Pinellas Park police Lt. Kevin Riley, second from left, handcuffs 14-year-old Josie Keys, left, while Pinellas County Sheriff's deputies place her father Chris in the back of a van after arresting members of the family for trespassing Wednesday morning March 23, 2005 outside the Woodside Hospice in Pinellas Park, Fla. The family members were attempting to bring Terri Schiavo a cup of water.

Gabriel Keys (foreground) is arrested by police officers for trespassing in Pinellas Park, Florida, March 23, 2005. The young protester attempted to take a glass of water into the Woodside Hospice for the brain-damaged Terri Schiavo. A federal judge rejected a request from the parents of Schiavo to order her feeding tube reinserted, dealing a blow to attempts by the U.S. Congress and the White House to prolong her life.

[eleni121]

Terri's tragedy demonstrates proof positive that Hospice. the insurance companies, and the death cultists have literally and financially taken over the health infrastructure of Florida with their paid off stooges in the judiciary.

All those who come down on the side of the
"husband" had better watch out. The boundaries between treatment, recovery, and "palliative care" have become blurred and guess who is winning?

[philetus]

Starving Dogs and Horses - (Chama, NM - US)

Crime Date: 06/02/2001
Case Status: Alleged
Abusers/Suspects:
# Jason C. Johnston

Case Report

A cougar-hunting outfitter pleaded innocent Friday to 15 counts of animal cruelty after starving or dead hounds and horses were found at his home south of Chama.

"These animals were really in a horrible, emaciated condition," Assistant District Attorney Denise Soto said in district court in Santa Fe. "We have (video) footage of dead animals lying on the property, pools of blood."

Jason C. Johnston, 28, faces up to 16 years of imprisonment and $15,000 in fines
References
# Albuquerque Journal Newspaper

[RasterMaster]

"I will join you in defending the LEO's here."

Slaves doing the bidding of their evil masters.

[Bob J]

And I believe your making rationalizations and excuses for a parental decision, that, if the tables were turned and it was young children splattering blood on themselves and laying down in the middle of the street with their parents to protest animal testing, you would be condemning and calling for a child service investigation.

I don't know you personally but I've seen this scenario played out on FR so many times I can state with an amount of certainty most FReepers would be up in arms.

[HKMk23]

Sorry if my tone ame across wrong. I don't mean to tweak anybody's nose, here, especially as I haven't been around all that long. I don't plan to get on the foul side of any of the regulars. At the same time, I tend not to let people get away with unsupported assertions. In this case, Mr. J's seemingly a priori assertion of bad motives on the part of Mom, in this thread. I'll try to keep up a civil dialog and see where the discussion leads.

And, thanks for the welcome. See you down-thread.

[Bob J]

"What if 15,000 people each brought a bottle of water and one at a time approached the hospice with the intention of giving it to Terri or getting arrested?

Would take a lot of manpower to arrest every one of them. It might actually overwhelm the police department to the point where one or two bottles might make it in. hmmmmmmm"

Actually, I think this is a great idea. But, keep the kids at home.

[pgkdan]

Bull. We settled that question at Nuremberg. The individiual policemen are responsible for their actions. Which judge do you suppose it was that ordered that cop to handcuff a 10 year old boy?

[fatima]

:)

[RightOnline]

Snappy comeback. Now come back to me and try to defend your idiotic slap at homeschoolers. If you A) can't take the heat, and/or B) don't know what you're talking about, then go to another Forum......but don't pretend to take on the big dogs, boy.

[Bob J]

"In this case, Mr. J's seemingly a priori assertion of bad motives on the part of Mom, in this thread."

I'm sorry, I don't buy the "the kids thought it up all on their own, flew to Florida and got arrested, we were just along to show our support" line.

Call me skeptical.

[FreeReign]

I'm sorry, I don't buy the "the kids thought it up all on their own, flew to Florida and got arrested, we were just along to show our support" line.

Whether the kids thought it up on their own or not we'll never know.

The bottom line is that the Dad should have called it off as soon as their was a risk of arrest.

[Badray]

This is my point. All this talk about this being an effort to give water to Terri is a feint...there not only was no way possible to get in the hospital but Terri can't drink from a cup, she must take even her water via the tube.

That's not entirely accurate from what I read, but I can tell you that a moist cloth on the lips is like manna from heaven when you are thirsty. I went two days without water at a time when I was drinking over a gallon of fluids a day. I was getting IVs, but I was parched and my lips cracked -- in two days, and I had IVs.

So let's quit portraying this as an effort to hydrate her, it was a publicity stunt from start to finish. Now I don't necessarily have problems with publicity stunts per se (this one was an A+), civil disobedience has a long and revered history in America starting with the Boston Tea Party.

Even, or maybe even especially, in cases of civil disobedience, it pays to have someone 'on the outside.'

However, I do have a problem with parents getting their kids involved in actions that could end up in confrontation, altercation or arrest. Children simply do not have the judgment to make decisions about getting involved in such things and parents should always err on the side of safety.

I haven't seen, nor do I expect any confrontations. I don't think that safety is really an issue. The kids aren't going to jail with criminals. They will be treated with kid gloves. If my kids, when they were that young, wanted to do this, I would have been proud to go with them.

I agree the children can have compassion for Terri and they certainly can understand being starved to death. But do they understand the legal complexities of who has the right to make the call to remove care or life support? Do they understand the nuances of federal vs. state rights? Do they understand the issue of euthanasia (Soylent Green is PEOPLE!) All these are facets of this sad event.

I do believe that the kids had the idea and understood right from wrong. Maybe not all of the nuances, but they know instinctively this is wrong. We don't starve anyone in this country who is guilty of a crime. We surely shouldn't starve an innocent women. That we make it more nuanced than that is on us. That we haven't corrected this before it got to this point is on us. The Republic will not fall because of these kids or because this was pushed to the Congress and POTUS to do something. Rather the failure to act would hasten its demise and make it less worthy and less likely to be remembered as America.

I don't have a problem with people taking their children to peaceful rallies or marches. However, I think it is selfish of parents to stick signs in their kids hands, signs the kids neither created nor understand. On a very basic level this is exploiting the children, the image and concept of "innocence" for the sake of a photo op the parents could not duplicate on their own.

Viewed in the most cynical light, that might be true. My own experience with children is that they are impassioned, creative, and anxious to help. That is not exploitation.

[Badray]

Well, you are way ahead of the pack without a close second.

( o )

[harpo11]

Yes, very true. Thanks for the correct emphasis.

[freebilly]

I don't debate disruptor trolls who sign up the same day they post irrelevant pictures,

[Chad Fairbanks]

You are truly despicable.

Why? Because I don't believe that Terri Shiavo is Jesus? Get real.

[Frapster]

I went to public school with kids who dressed just like they are dressed. fwiw

[nimbysrule]

The All Criminals Left Unpunished/Anti-Criminal Litigation Unit got an order preventing the cops from shackling that POS that killed the JUDGE and court reporter in Atlanta. But cops have to handcuff a kid trying to bring water to a dying woman. Madness.