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Italy to stop paying ransoms
The Sunday Times ^ | March 13, 2005 | John Follain

Posted on 03/12/2005 4:46:21 PM PST by MadIvan

THE Italian prime minister, Silvio Berlusconi, has promised President George W Bush that he will not pay more ransoms to free hostages in Iraq.

The Italian government has denied newspaper reports that $6m (£3.1m) was paid for the release of Giuliana Sgrena, who worked for the Communist daily Il Manifesto. But senior officials and intelligence sources have confirmed that money did change hands.

The affair ended when American soldiers opened fire on the car carrying Sgrena and killed the intelligence officer who had freed her.

Last year Italy paid a reported $5m (£2.6m) for the freedom of two aid workers, Simona Pari and Simona Torretta. Hours after Sgrena was seized, Berlusconi announced that “negotiations” had begun.

The reports of ransom payments have infuriated American officials, who say they fund violence and encourage more kidnappings. Mel Sembler, the American ambassador in Rome, told Berlusconi last week that the money bankrolled “the war being waged by Sunnis in Iraq”.

In response, Berlusconi has agreed to a change in policy. When a speaker during a debate in parliament urged an end to ransom payments, he nodded and said: “Certainly, certainly.”

Gustavo Selva, chairman of the standing committee for foreign affairs in the lower house of parliament, said: “From now on there will be no more ransoms, no more concessions. If there are more kidnappings, the Italians will act in full agreement with the Americans. Intelligence services will try to locate the hostage and a military raid will be launched if necessary.”

In return, Bush agreed to Italy assigning a military officer and a diplomat to an American team investigating the incident.

Selva claimed that the attack on the Toyota Corolla carrying Sgrena and Nicola Calipari, the intelligence officer, to Baghdad airport had been prompted by a satellite monitoring system. This detected that their vehicle did not have clearance from US military authorities. A signal alerted a mobile checkpoint near the airport and its soldiers opened fire.

“The Italian team should have known what to expect, but it appears they didn’t realise how sophisticated the American military are,” said Selva.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: iraq; italy; ransom
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If I was Silvio, I'd rather pay the terrorists to take Communists off my hands.

Regards, Ivan


1 posted on 03/12/2005 4:46:21 PM PST by MadIvan
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Ping!


2 posted on 03/12/2005 4:46:42 PM PST by MadIvan (One blog to bring them all...and in the Darkness bind them: http://www.theringwraith.com/)
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I'd rather pay the terrorists to take Communists off my hands.

What a good idea. I hadn't thought of this, but he should have paid them (not very much) to keep her.

3 posted on 03/12/2005 4:51:58 PM PST by Bahbah
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To: MadIvan
I hope Italy sticks with their part of the bargain -- ransom is a bad idea.

What's up with the last two paragraphs of this article. Is this some kind of tinfoil-hat conspiracy theory?

4 posted on 03/12/2005 4:53:27 PM PST by 68skylark
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To: MadIvan

too bad they don't all feel the same as that one brave hostage they killed who refused the blind fold, saying "I will show you how an Italian dies"..or along those lines


5 posted on 03/12/2005 4:53:50 PM PST by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: MadIvan
“The Italian team should have known what to expect, but it appears they didn’t realise how sophisticated the American military are,” said Selva.

Well now, they haven't been paying attention for the last 2 or 3 years then have they? Pfft.

6 posted on 03/12/2005 4:58:11 PM PST by prairiebreeze (Does my American flag offend you? Call 1-800-LEAVE THE USA!)
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To: MadIvan

What really gets me is the fact that people will still believe that American soldiers targeted this vehicle on purpose, even with Italian authorities telling them different.


7 posted on 03/12/2005 5:05:38 PM PST by Arpege92 (Mr. Kerry, you are a jerk!" - Pat Sajak)
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---"What really gets me is the fact that people will still believe that American soldiers targeted this vehicle on purpose, even with Italian authorities telling them different."---

The media, especially overseas, has long operated with the desire to convince as many people as possible that U.S. soldiers kill at random and specifically target women, children, and innocent bystanders. They have succeeded in brainwashing an awful lot of people, especially in Europe.

Hell, they've even changed the definition of "torture" to make us look bad. How many people in Europe and Asia have inaccurate pictures in their minds of American soldiers giving shock treatments and fingernail removals to prisoners because of the abuse of the word "torture" by the World Press?

Of course, these aforementioned things are exactly what the Muslim terrorists do, but they are always presented (just like with Israel and the Palestinians) as victims forced into such things by the U.S. aggressors.

I think it's time we started treating the World Press as legitimate enemy targets.


8 posted on 03/12/2005 5:23:37 PM PST by TitansAFC (When will Kristen Breitweiser just declare her candidacy already?!?!?)
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To: MadIvan

That must be the most expensive communist pig ever! Is it worth the crap she writes?


9 posted on 03/12/2005 5:28:52 PM PST by Leo Carpathian (FReeeePeee!)
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To: Arpege92

Italy's government doesn't have a good acquaintanceship with the truth...Berlusconi is no exception to a long tradition. In fact one of the reasons he's been so successful is that he's better at lying than his rivals or predecessors. Politicians everywhere do it, but Italy has taken it further.


10 posted on 03/12/2005 6:05:13 PM PST by Androcles (All your typos are belong to us)
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To: 68skylark
What's up with the last two paragraphs of this article. Is this some kind of tinfoil-hat conspiracy theory?

Interesting. Either it's tin foil, or he's let a bit of secret information out of the bag.

11 posted on 03/12/2005 6:20:24 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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"Selva claimed that the attack on the Toyota Corolla carrying Sgrena and Nicola Calipari, the intelligence officer, to Baghdad airport had been prompted by a satellite monitoring system. This detected that their vehicle did not have clearance from US military authorities. A signal alerted a mobile checkpoint near the airport and its soldiers opened fire."

This stupid bitch would be dead already if the US Army was guilty of what she has alleged.

12 posted on 03/12/2005 6:26:04 PM PST by Radix (Lost: Decent Tag Line; Reward offered.)
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it was a Rent-A-Car... it prolly DID have a GPS system in it!!!

remember, most rent-a-car company in the USA are using them too

13 posted on 03/12/2005 6:29:18 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: MadIvan
“The Italian team should have known what to expect, but it appears they didn’t realise how sophisticated the American military are,” said Selva.

LOL. Underestimated by our allies.
14 posted on 03/12/2005 6:31:06 PM PST by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: MadIvan
Ransom of Red Cheek. Veddy poor ROI. If he'd left her there the "insurgents" would have converted to Catholicism by now.
15 posted on 03/12/2005 6:37:04 PM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Deadcheck the embeds first.)
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To: Chode

Good thought. Not to speak of all the delivery vans and commercial vehicles that have GPS reporting systems installed.


16 posted on 03/12/2005 6:42:49 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: MadIvan

Yeah right !!! that and the reverse 4th gear overdrive in their tanks. How do you believe communists???


17 posted on 03/12/2005 6:53:08 PM PST by Fast1 (Destroy America buy Chinese goods,Shop at Wal Mart)
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To: MadIvan
If I was Silvio, I'd rather pay the terrorists to take Communists off my hands.

It would end up in a "The Ransom of Red Chief" sort of situation.

18 posted on 03/12/2005 6:56:00 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Res severa est verum gaudium)
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To: Radix
I don't know. I am thinking something like On-Star or a IFF system. It is possible that some of our cars over there are equipped with that and if this car didn't have it and was hurling toward the checkpoint then that would be a good reason to open fire.
19 posted on 03/12/2005 6:59:19 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Res severa est verum gaudium)
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To: Cicero

I guess this guy could be referring to the "blue force tracker" system, which uses GPS to let American vehicles (and select vehicles of our allies) show their position to other friendly units.


20 posted on 03/12/2005 7:00:59 PM PST by 68skylark
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