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CNN: US SUPREME COURT: ALL DEATH PENALTY CASES WITH JUVENILE KILLERS THROWN OUT!
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Posted on 03/01/2005 7:21:16 AM PST by Next_Time_NJ

The Supreme Court ruled Tuesday that the Constitution forbids the execution of killers who were under 18 when they committed their crimes, ending a practice used in 19 states.

The 5-4 decision throws out the death sentences of about 70 juvenile murderers and bars states from seeking to execute minors for future crimes.

The executions, the court said, were unconstitutionally cruel.

This report will be updated as details become available.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ban; deathpenalty; impeachthem; judicialtyranny; juveniles; levinsexactlyright; meninblack; readmarklevinsbook; ropervsimmons; ruling; scotus; supremecourt
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To: jwalsh07
Actually, you cannot dispute that Hillary would be making the determination of morals and the same was true of Hitler, so you call the level of discourse inappropriate, and say blah blah blah.

It's a standard retreat.

521 posted on 03/01/2005 9:51:41 AM PST by Protagoras (" I believe that's the role of the federal government, to help people"...GWB, 7-23-04)
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To: HostileTerritory
The Supreme Court recognized that.

I've met some hard core liberals in my day, but you're right there with the best of 'em! There is no such consensus as you suggest and to rule something unconstitutional because of public opinion is preposterous anyway!!!

I was trying to help out the people who are shocked, SHOCKED, that the law might not treat all young people the same if their ages vary slightly, while it happens all the time.

Minors are tried as adults all the time -- there is a different procedure for it, so of course they are treated differently, but they can easily be held to the same standard by that means. And people support that. 19 states, out of how many that have the death penalty? All those juries of peers convicting teens, and happy to do so I'm sure!

522 posted on 03/01/2005 9:51:54 AM PST by JohnnyZ ("Thought I was having trouble with my adding. It's all right now." - Clint Eastwood)
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To: Cold Heat

"The SCOTUS has repaired this. That is all....moving along now."

LOL! Won't the gang bangers just make sure that teens are their "hit men of choice" from here on out? (Not that that group is any sort of Brain Trust to begin with...)

They're deciding this on a MORAL basis, not LEGAL or CONSTITUTIONAL law.


523 posted on 03/01/2005 9:52:45 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Cold Heat
No, it is the ultimate PUNISHMENT for committing the ultimate crime.

If the death penalty is revenge then I guess you have to say life is prison is revenge as well.
524 posted on 03/01/2005 9:53:03 AM PST by snarkytart
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To: Next_Time_NJ

I don't see how execution is a deterrent. How many kids know who is being executed and for what they are being executed?

I don't even follow that. So to think that a young person is going to stop in the middle of committing a murder, or even contemplating a murder, and think... whoops... I'm gonna die for this...

On the other hand... my sister did something very stupid at age 18 and was sent to federal prison. Her roommate was a girl of 20 who several years before, together with her boyfriend, beat an old woman to death for $1.75.

She had life in prison. She was pregnant when she went to prison and had her baby taken away and she will never know who has the child or know anything at all about that child.

She was a totally broken person. Drugs, bad decisions, bad boyfriend had led to a fatal action which she will spend the rest of her life paying for. She has no promise for anything better.

My sister was horrified with the reality of spending life in prison and realized she was on the same path. It could just as easily be her. Talk about a deterrent! My sister turned her life completely around after that. She is in her 40's now and has led a moral and legitimate lifestyle ever since.

Had that girl been on death row and executed, my sister would never have met her. Without such an impact, who knows what choices she would have made.

I am satisfied knowing the other girl will never be out of prison. We may never know how many lives she will impact in that time... how many other cellmates will turn their lives around seeing the reality of what a life sentence really means.

I hope they put young cellmates in with her all the time. That is the only good she can do in this world now... turning others away from what she had done.

I believe the death penalty should be reserved for those 18 and older... not for younger. A life sentence for youths is a huge penalty.


525 posted on 03/01/2005 9:53:27 AM PST by myrabach
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To: William Terrell
There is not need to explain how the death penalty would have deterred Klebold. The death penalty is not for the purposes of a deterrent. It is for the purpose of removing deadly dangers to the people of a state.

You are so right and I'm glad that made your post.

526 posted on 03/01/2005 9:53:34 AM PST by Netizen (jmo)
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To: RepublicMan4U

My opinion on the death penalty was re-set by the Texas Connally prison escapees who broke out of prison and killed policemen. These men have proven that they are a threat to society, even if imprisoned.

I believe that the death penalty should be very rarely used. The State must decide how and when without regard to the heat of emotion or public opinion. But the State and the people should decide, not the SC.


Did anyone read the history of the case in question? The woman the minor killed was treated in a most inhumane and cruel manner.


527 posted on 03/01/2005 9:53:36 AM PST by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US)
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To: Next_Time_NJ
Its the way its always been, from the start. The supreme court has the final say.. period..

I would disagree with the blanket statement in the form that you make it. From the Marshall Court, we have had the SC determining constitutionality. The broad legislating from the bench is of a more recent, and still growing, trend.

Forrest McDonald points to the public reaction to the activist Taney Court leading up to the Civil War as the breaking point where the SC was thereafter seen as a political animal, just like the other branches and trust was lost. In his analysis, the pre-Civil War climate, leading to the war inself, was locked into place by that activism and the related loss of public trust.

Merely pointing to the constitutionality, implied power, established by Marshall and left by fiat doesn't excuse or make more paletable the growth of bench-legislation like the example today, IMHO.

528 posted on 03/01/2005 9:53:38 AM PST by KC Burke (Men of intemperate minds can never be free....)
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To: Next_Time_NJ

IF you are young enough to KILL, you are old enough to pay for that life with your own. I guess I am a heartless sob.

If a young punk would take my life, or my children's or wife's, I would probably take his, if I could.


529 posted on 03/01/2005 9:54:00 AM PST by ElPatriota
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To: Torie
Of course, there is no widely held national consensus that executing 16 and 17 year olds is cruel and unusual, and thus I dissent from the Court's holding. It once again abused its power. Shocking

Which is, of course, the theme of Scalias dissent. That being that the court has substituted their mores for th mores of the nation at large rather than interpreting the Constitution.

So you agree with Scalia once again!

530 posted on 03/01/2005 9:54:05 AM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Next_Time_NJ
I agree with them. Killing a 15 year old child is not my idea of just punishment reguardless of what they have done. I have no problem with them sitting in jail for a long time though. I am infavor of the death penality but not for young children.

Fine. Get the law changed in your legislature. The American people have a right to elective representation on decisions like these.
531 posted on 03/01/2005 9:54:44 AM PST by advance_copy (Stand for life, or nothing at all)
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To: Mo1

He doesn't think he's forgotten the Constitution.

But even if he has, it's not really relevant.
The Constitution says what the Supreme Court says it says.
Until THAT fundamental assumption is altered, we will continue to be rocked by decisions like this.


532 posted on 03/01/2005 9:54:46 AM PST by Vicomte13 (Tibikak Ishkwata!)
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To: Next_Time_NJ

IF you are young enough to KILL, you are old enough to pay for that life with your own. I guess I am a heartless sob.

If a young punk would take my life, or my children's or wife's, I would probably take his, if I could.


533 posted on 03/01/2005 9:55:08 AM PST by ElPatriota
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To: advance_copy

"Fine. Get the law changed in your legislature. The American people have a right to elective representation on decisions like these."

Unless the Supreme Court says otherwise, of course.


534 posted on 03/01/2005 9:55:47 AM PST by Vicomte13 (Tibikak Ishkwata!)
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To: hocndoc
:^D

bump!


535 posted on 03/01/2005 9:56:11 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: Trust but Verify

Demographics have more to do with capital crime rates than the death penalty.

The death penalty is about justice.


536 posted on 03/01/2005 9:56:44 AM PST by wardaddy (I don't think Muslims are good for America....just a gut instinct thing.)
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To: Cold Heat

Prison means that we as a society would have to house and feed these pos until they died natural deaths. Why should we be penalized forever for their actions? The funds could better be used in helping the surviving families of the people they murdered.


537 posted on 03/01/2005 9:57:24 AM PST by Netizen (jmo)
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To: Protagoras

The States decide. If there appear to be abuses due to changing public opinion or technology, the people of the State should change their laws. If the Nation feels the necessity to correct the action of a minority of the States, there should be an Amendment to the Constitution.

The Supreme Court should interpret the meaning of the Constitution, not engage in the equivalent of amending the Constitution.


538 posted on 03/01/2005 9:57:27 AM PST by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US)
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To: Peach
I don't think we should give the death penalty to people under 18, I think we should cut off 1 hand if they commit murder, with no drugs, just a clean slice.

Once they are 18 however, if they commit murder they should be hung during a public display. But then again, some people say that I'm tough on crime.
539 posted on 03/01/2005 9:57:34 AM PST by DixieOklahoma (Since 2004: real American voters = 1, dead democrats = 0)
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To: William Terrell

Last May, my sister was stabbed twenty-two times in the chest and killed. This happened in Iowa. The killer then immediately drove across the Missouri River and within an hour of my sister's death shot an old friend of mine eleven times, killing him.

Iowa has no death penalty. Nebraska does, but the prosecutors determined that the second death was not 'heinous' enough to bring a death penalty charge. Maybe if he'd shot him twelve times??

The murderer has already been convicted of the second crime. He stood in court and begged the court to kill him.

But they won't.

We'll warehouse him at great expense for the next 30-50 years. That is, if during that time, some collection of Leftists doesn't find some way to reinflict him on society...


The whole thing is a gross miscarriage of justice.

The Left's anti-life agenda is reigning supreme: To kill the innocent and spare the guilty.


540 posted on 03/01/2005 9:59:44 AM PST by EternalVigilance (Freedom. Brought to you by the grace of God and the Red, White and Blue...)
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