Posted on 02/26/2005 5:16:19 PM PST by Babwa
The national news media is abuzz with a story about the possible link between the tragic death of an infant Jewish boy from herpes and his circumcision. At the same time, the media has not fully reported on the fact that circumcision could save millions of lives from the scourge of AIDS.
The problem is that circumcision is in the Bible, which makes it a serious violation of the religion practiced by the majority in academia and the mainstream media - secular fundamentalism. They have stood by while millions died and continue to die. How differently they value human life than Judaism and the Judeo-Christian tradition.
(Excerpt) Read more at towardtradition.org ...
They should have started with the arms instead of the foreskin.
That is really needlyly biased slander. Although I am a Christian, I had the procedure done as an infant, and I caarry no memories of "torture" or pain, I can honestly say I have never feared shots, nor had any - ummm - "problems" related to inordinate "sensitivity".
Knowing what I know, I chose it - over my wife's objections - for our son seven and a half years ago. He suffered no ill effects.
To call it a "barbaric" practice is a matter of your opinion, and is not backed up conclusively by most reliable studies available. Many of the best empirical studies indicate that it plays a discernible role in reducing a woman's risk of uterine cancer.
To criticise it as being against the very Creator who plainly commanded the Jewish believers to do it (quite likely for hygienic reasons) is bordering on ignorance of a well known and established religious/faith tradition, and a bit disingenuous, IMO.
Just my opinion.
A.A.C.
I thought control was in the big head...
Baseball, Rosie O'Donnell, Baseball, Hillary Clinton, Baseball.....
Control it, not kill it!
I know that in some places you have to pay for it out of pocket. Makes me doubly glad I didn't want to have it done. :)
OHHH Congrats on new grandson Alouette
My Irish Cathoic mom told me my brother circuized too
L'Chayyim &
Baruch Ha'shem!
"Circumcision is perverse. A mutilation of a boys genitals, many times at the command of his mother, often before he can even speak his first word."
It probably hurts the baby more than abortion.
"The so-called "hygiene benefits" have been debunked. A properly washed uncircumcised penis is plenty hygienic."
I am sure pulling out your teeth will help prevent gum disease too, and you won't have to brush them either.
" The circumcision permanently alters the sensations because of the removal of tissue and nerve endings, it can cause serious damage if not done with great skill."
I posted a link about this. Studies have also shown an increase in the need for "rougher" stimulation amongst those
without the foreskin. Also, the foreskin retains lubricant during intercourse, and women with intact partners don't experience discomfort during intercourse. Don't mean to get graphic, but intact men...well, just read the links in my other posts.
"These days it's a cosmetic thing for vain men, for their sexually revolutionized women."
The "locker room" argument. Foreskins are not in fashion.
"But it's also a means of control. The Jewish practice comes from the ancient notion that a circumcised penis will help keep a man inside his marriage."
I thought it was a covenant with God with regards to Jews. Does the practice pre-date Moses?
"It's heinous perversion masked as religious tradition."
I agree, but will not comment on Jews doing it because of their covenant. On second thought, maybe the child should decide when he becomes an adult. As for a religious tradition amongst Christians, it never was. They started doing it to prevent masturbation.
"We must fight to end this barbaric practice done to our male offspring."
And we should be vigilant against female circumcision infesting the west from immigrants that practice it.
"It is entirely unnecessary, deemed as such by modern medicine with a $400-500 price tag, for the overwhelming majority."
But now the medical establishment has come around and does NOT recommend it anymore.
The male body was not designed to be circumcised. Neither by evolution nor by God.
If the forskin is a "spare part" some could argue that it is a leftover remnant from our "tree climbing days."
"It was created to have a foreskin."
For a REASON and FUNCTION, which many Americans didn't even question not too long ago.
"You're efforts to slander "anti-circumcision" lobbyists against this Judeo-based barbarism is repugnant."
I am not quite sure it is Judeo-based, because many middle eastern and African nations have practiced it forever. It's more like a tradition from the region in general and I don't fault Jews for trying obey the Torah on the matter.
You're way out of line, Junkie -- chill out.
"The groups trying to blame intact foreskins for the AIDS problems of Africa are ignoring science to advance their own leftist agenda."
Now you have just confirmed to me that the argument is bogus. In many parts of Africa, sterile instruments are unheard of and aids is RAMPANT. You can aids from dental instruments if not properly sterilized! What a weak, weak argument the foreskin loppers-offers have come up with..in desperation, now that people here are starting to THINK and STUDY on the issue. Long ago, when circumcision was first being promoted in this country, "doctors" argued that penile cancer was prevented by circumcision, based on one little uncircumcized African tribe with high rates of penile cancer. Now we know this argument is bogus.
Genesis 17:9-11: And God said to Abraham: 'As for you, you shall keep My covenant, you and your descendants after you throughout their generations. This is My covenant which you shall keep, between Me and you and your descendants after you: Every male child among you shall be circumcised; and you shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskins, and it shall be a sign of the covenant between Me and you.'
The *Jews* are Abraham's descendents, not Gentiles. Why should Christians do this to their children? What's important is that your HEART is circumcized. If you are a Jew, I am sure God would prefer your heart be circumcized over your penis, or both in your case? It's your choice, I won't make any recommendations for Jews, but Jews should not push this on others either. Besides, that law was in effect before modern sanitary aids. I would circumcize my boy if there were no access to soap and running water in the desert too.
Better yet to leave the nature and God's way alone.
"A little over the top are we?
Repugnant, scandalous, heinous perversion
Gimme a break"
Would YOU use these words to describe female circumcision?
Why the double-standard?
What sort of kickback do you get for getting people to run these searches? Are you just trying to boost google rankings?
The truth is that uncircumcised men are more likely to be sexually normal, as they aren't desensitized. Circumcised men seem to be drawn more toward high-stimulation-intensity activities like...well....I'd better not get into it.
Let's just say that you need to do more reading...for example: Perlman, David, Study Finds Circumcised Men More Sexually Adventurous but procedure has no health benefits, San Francisco Chronicle Science Editor, based on a study conducted by the University of Chicago and reported in The Journal of the American Medical Association (1997;277:1052-1057)
It probably hurts the baby more than abortion.
Yes, death is much less painful than a snip.
Seek help.
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