Republican Disowns Lesbian Daughter (Keyes)

U.K. Guardian ^ | February 26, 2005 | Gary Younge

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Republican disowns lesbian daughter

Gary Younge Saturday February 26, 2005

Guardian When the leading Republican and rightwing pundit Alan Keyes was asked what he thought of Mary Cheney, the lesbian daughter of the US vice-president, he called her "a selfish hedonist". If his own daughter came out as a lesbian, said Mr Keyes, he would say the same thing.

So when Mr Keyes' only daughter, Maya Marcel-Keyes, declared herself a "liberal queer" at a public rally he lived up to his word. Her parents turned her out of their house, broke off all communication and stopped paying her university tuition fees.

Ms Keyes told a rally supporting gay young people in Maryland: "We have to figure out what we can do to make sure that during those times when it seems like everything in the world is turning against them, like everyone in the world is rejecting them, that they know there are resources out there they can turn to; there are people out there who will say to them, 'I care'."

Ms Keyes joins a list of gay people with rightwing relatives, including Mary Cheney and Candace Gingrich, the sister of Republican congressman Newt Gingrich. But Mr Keyes, a darling of the religious right, has been more outspoken on the issue than most.

Ms Keyes says her parents were "not too pleased" when she came out. "Things just came to a head. Liberal queer plus conservative Republican just doesn't mesh well."

Her older brother has offered her somewhere to stay and she has been given a scholarship to continue at college.

"My daughter is an adult, and she is responsible for her own actions. What she chooses to do has nothing to do with my work or political activities," Mr Keyes said in a statement.

Ms Keyes says she loves her parents and "totally understands" their position.

[Rebelbase]

I think a more appropriate comparison would be to say that Jesus should have shunned the lepers and prostitutes.

[Rebelbase]

7 x 70

[RockAgainsttheLeft04]

RE: "The falacy of the "gay gene" has been exposed and refuted for many of years by geniticists themselves. There is not a single shread of evidence for any "gay gene".

If you have any post it."


Just the experiences of my friends, and I've already been told that personal anecdotes are not "acceptible" on this site, etc, so spare me. Besides, The burden of proof is on you here. Who are these geneticists? Give me non-partisan links if you have the "proof" that my supposedly gay-since-puberty friends are "lying" to me.

[Rebelbase]

Here's the question: has Keyes asked his daughter to repent an approached her as a loving Christian father, or is he just expressing a hardore convserviate hate of homosexuality?

[Zuriel]

In #234 you say you can't understand all the hatred...

then you say: GET LOST, YOU INBRED MORON!

Oh consistancy, thou art a jewel!

[k2blader]

has Keyes asked his daughter to repent an approached her as a loving Christian father

Why, do you doubt he has?

BTW, God's Word displays hatred of homosexuality. Do you have a problem with that?

[LisaMalia]

I didn't mean to sound like I was attacking you, just gave my opinion of the expression, "Putting them out".

I guess I look at being a mother differently than you do. That doesn't mean I am right. I just go by my feelings.

Ironically, at a meeting at work this week, one of the women there spoke up after the meeting was over, and we were all were chitchatting before going back to our offices.....this woman was showing off her new engagment ring, and was quoting the days (she actually had them counted down) until her daughter would turn 18, and she could "get her the he** out of the house, and she and her fiance could get on with their life without the bother of her daughter. It just so happened that all in the meeting were women, and some spoke out about hating to see their kids leave the nest, me included.

This woman disgusted me. All I could think of is how hard I've tried to hold on to my children, and how difficult it's been for me to let them go...and she was counting down the days until she could legally kick her daughter out.

I don't think you are that kind of a mom. Actually, I think you are a good mom, we just have different viewpoints.

[Joe.E.Sixpack]

I'm sure that my stance seems like "babbling" to you, for these things are spiritually discerned.

It's interesting that no so-called "Christian" homophobes has ever been able to provide proof that the New Testament condemns homosexuality as a mortal sin. Please provide the NEW TESTAMENT words/verses that you interpret as anti-gay...

Sure thing. It's my pleasure.

I'll start with Romans 1:

18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man--and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
24Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

26For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality,[c] wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving,[d] unmerciful; 32who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.

Now, lets move on to Galatians 5:

16I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. 17For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. 18But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
19Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery,[c] fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21envy, murders,[d] drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Homosexuality is both adultery and fornication.

Thanks for asking. I'm glad we got that cleared up. :-)

[LowOiL]

I was able to find a little more on the subject...

[Jesus said,] "Did not Moses give you the law, yet none of you keeps the law? ... Moses therefore gave you circumcision (not that it is from Moses, but from the fathers), and you circumcise a man on the Sabbath. If a man receives circumcision on the Sabbath, so that the law of Moses should not be broken, are you angry with Me because I made a man completely well on the Sabbath?" John 7:19-23

Some argue that all this changed after the resurrection. Yet after His resurrection, Jesus said:

"Go therefore and make disciples of all nations... teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you." Mat. 28:19-20

And years later, "James and all the elders" said to Paul:

"You see, brother, how many myriads of Jews there are who have believed, and they are all zealous for the law." Acts 21:20

[exile]

Good for him. I'd have disowned the selfish brat for being a Lib. Forget the whole gay thing, let the commie get a job and support herself.

[Joe.E.Sixpack]

A home is not a church.Paul was talking in general about anyone who claims to be a believer, family included.

[k2blader]

:-)

[k2blader]

That is a horror-inspiring tagline. ;-)

[chudogg]

All i said was that she at least waited until after the election.

The tone of your post implies that I'm in the same category as rapists and murderers.

[Joe.E.Sixpack]

Here's the question: has Keyes asked his daughter to repent an approached her as a loving Christian father
That article does not give that, although, I would imagine that Alan Keyes has followed Matthew 18 with his daughter and has lovingly(she says her parents love her deeply in the article) confronted her to repent as a good parent should.

, or is he just expressing a hardore convserviate hate of homosexuality?

I can't judge his heart, however, from his actions and words I do not see any hatred of homosexuality being transposed to his daughter.

Alan Keyes knows very well that his daughter's deliberate, willful, continuous and habitual sin of homosexuality will land her in hell if she does not repent. A loving parent does not want that for their child.

Which is better, to condone sin leading to hell in order to appear to be loving, or to confront them with the truth and set them outside his protection and benefits so she learns to repent while in the world?

[xzins]

Ah, come on guys. They're sitting at home laughing how they got that university to foot her school bill. It's so easy to scam liberals.

[Drawsing]

Just came to this thread but don't have time to read all the 300+ posts, but here is my thought.

We do not really know the details, therefore it is unfair to castigate either side. Here is what I believe a Christian father should do and what Keyes MAY have done: "I will always love you. However I cannot in good conscience continue to support you in this lifestyle. You are an adult now and you have chosen your own way. It is time to let you go. You may not see this as a loving decision, but it is."

[Joe.E.Sixpack]

I wish I could stay but duty calls.

Thanks to all for a lively discussion, that for the most part was free of ad hominem attacks.

This is an important debate and one that should be continued.

Good night all, and may God shine His face down upon you and give you peace. :-)

[RockAgainsttheLeft04]

RE: "26For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due."


I suppose you are referring to this statement as your "indisputable proof", aren't you?

Well, my own Bible (a King James Version) has it a bit differently than that one, and those differences are crucial to understanding the meaning of the scripture.

It reads: "26.) For this cause, God gave them up unto vile affections: For even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature. 27.) And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet".


Lost in the translation is the fact that the "unnatural affections", presumably homosexual behavior because of the referrence to lust, is termed by Paul to be everything from vile to unseemly without ever being called sinful. Artificial foods are "unnatural", a spot on a dress is "unseemly", and swearing is "vile"-- yet none of these are sinful.

In fact, in the context of the entire chapter, homosexuality comes off as the misdemeanor of God's law...certainly no cause for great alarm.

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