Posted on 02/17/2005 12:58:57 PM PST by Mike Fieschko
Rome, Feb. 17 (CWNews.com) - Vatican archeologists believe that they have identified the tomb of St. Paul in the Roman basilica that bears his name.A sarcophagus which may contain the remains of St. Paul was identified in the basilica of St. Paul Outside the Walls, reports Giorgio Filippi, a archeology specialist with the Vatican Museums. The sarcophagus was discovered during the excavations carried out in 2002 and 2003 around the basilica, which is located in the south of Rome. Having reached what they believe is a positive identification of the tomb, Vatican experts will soon make a public announcement of their discovery.
If these formally uneducated men were writing, then what would a formally educated man be doing?
Killer or not, Paul was a Christian and as such he knew total forgiveness.
But writing wasn't considered a huge deal back then. That's why, again, there was a whole class of people who were scribes. That was their professional job, so who cared who could write and who couldn't.
I just don't get how, if Paul was still not seeing well, that would have affected his handwriting.
I read the verse in Galations to mean "see here, you can tell it's me who's writing this becuase you all know that I can't write very well. Look! here's my really crappy handwriting"
The reason I think it should be read that way is because there was a lot of Paul fraud going on at that time, with peole writing fraudulent (and sometimes Gnostic) things and signing Paul's name...this is his response to those people, in my opinion.
What a dork you are.
The Lord also personally chose Saul of Tarsus to be his emissary to the world outside Judaism... as shocking a selection as a shepherd boy named David to be King of Israel after the people had earlier chosen the much more impressive (to the world) King Saul.
It's kinda funny.
And the devil is not to blame for encouraging Eve to eat the forbidden fruit?
I don't follow your logic.
Bin Laden is not to blame for 9/11 since he wasn't flying the aircraft into the buildings?
I'm going to have to stick with my original text: St Paul was a killer.
In Galatians 6:11 St. Paul writes:
See what a letter I have written to you with my own hand.
Also, at the end of another one of his letters St. Paul makes a reference to adding the farewell greeting by his own hand and with very large letters. Illiterate people cannot write in any size letters. The references point to his poor vision, which made his writing in his own hand unfrequent and remarkable.
Probably teaching a Roman patrician's kids, since many tutors were slaves.
okay...not totally illiterate...just couldn't write enough to write the whole book...
But at this point it's you who insists on a convoluted explanation, when a natural explanation suggest itself. Why would someone who authored complex in logic and elaborately styled letters, and penned some of them, be unable to pen all of them for reasons other than poor vision?
Just exactly would you expect a DNA test to prove? Paul's only (known) kids are spiritual, so other than possibly showing the bones are Semitic, no way DNA would be helpful at all.
Ain't gonna happen. Also, the RC Church has an interest in NOT opening the coffin, just in case its empty.
Besides, even non-Catholic I would object to disturbing the great Saint Paul's remains--until the Resurrection!
The archological evidence sounds pretty good. It's not implausible at all that 400 years after his death the Roman's could reliably identify Paul's grave.
But Galations itself admits he's not writing the letters. What's to make anyone think he's writing any of the other Paulean (sp?) letters. If the guy can't see, why don't we get some sort of statement like "my blindness gives me sight" or something. That'd be very much like Paul.
What we do get, is a lot of genius stuff, but no evidence the guy was physically writing any of it down.
Look, it doesn't make it any less important if if was dictated or written personally.
Thank you
Except that as a very learned man, Paul would have been a good writer.
As demonstrated, many people could write.
The scribes were professionals....similar to printers in our day. They did the "official" copies.
The evidence for Paul's eye problem being the "thorn" includes these ASSUMPTIONS:
1. Injuries to his eyes from beatings.
2. The use of "large letters" in Galatians as an indication of eye problems.
3. The blindness caused on the Road to Damascus.
"Just exactly would you expect a DNA test to prove? "
Paul was from the tribe of Benjamin. Having a DNA testing of his 'genes' would be a method of determining those who come from that tribe. I do not expect this to ever happen, would not be religiously PC.
my english is not well cannot write what I do know "polish" I will write this
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http://www.satucket.com/lectionary/Peter&Paul.htm
The Confession of Peter ("Thou art the Christ, the Son of the Living God") is commemorated on 18 January, and the Conversion of Paul (on the approach to Damascus) a week later on 25 January. On 29 June we commemorate the martyrdoms of both apostles. The date is the anniversary of a day around 258, under the Valerian persecution, when what were believed to be the remains of the two apostles were both moved temporarily to prevent them from falling into the hands of the persecutors.
The Scriptures do not record the deaths of Peter or Paul, or indeed any of the Apostles except for James the son of Zebedee (Acts 12:2), but they are clearly anticipated (see the readings below), and from an early date it has been said that they were martyred at Rome at the command of the Emperor Nero, and buried there. As a Roman citizen, Paul would probably have been beheaded with a sword. It is said of Peter that he was crucified head downward. The present Church of St Peter in Rome replaces earlier churches built on the same site going back to the time of the Emperor Constantine, in whose reign a church was built there on what was believed to be the burial site of Peter. Excavations under the church suggest that the belief is older than Constantine.
St. Augustine writes (Sermon 295):
Both apostles share the same feast day, for these two were one; and even though they suffered on different days, they were as one. Peter went first, and Paul followed. And so we celebrate this day made holy for us by the apostles' blood. Let us embrace what they believed, their life, their labors, their sufferings, their preaching, and their confession of faith.
FIRST READING: Ezekiel 34:11-16
(The LORD God will be a shepherd to Israel, and they shall be His flock.)
PSALM 87
(The foundations of Zion, the city of God, rest upon the holy hills. Of many nations it shall be said: In Zion were they born.)
EPISTLE: 2 Timothy 4:1-8
(Paul writes: "I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand. I have fought a good fight, I have finished the course, I have kept the faith.")
THE HOLY GOSPEL: John 21:15-19
(Jesus, after rising from the dead, said to Peter: "When you were young, you went where you would, but when you are old, you will go where you are taken." And by these words, He foretold Peter's death. He then said, "Follow me.")
Couldn't it tell us where he were he might have been from? Oxford has done a lot of research on old populations and genetic markers. If the DNA says these remains are 100% European at least we would know it isn't Paul.
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