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Bomb 'likely cause' of Iraq crash (Hercules C-130)
Agence France Presse | February 9, 2005

Posted on 02/09/2005 5:30:12 PM PST by HAL9000

A BOMB planted by insurgents "likely" blew the right wing off a Royal Air Force transport in Iraq and caused it to crash more than a week ago, killing 10 servicemen, Britain's The Sun newspaper reported today. One of those killed was Melbourne man Flight Lieutentant Paul Pardoel, a former RAAF navigator with dual Australian-British citizenship who was flying with the RAF.

The entire right wing of the C-130 Hercules was torn off, sending it instantly into a violent spin.

It broke up in about four seconds – but not before the pilot hit the mayday button, The Sun reported.

What was left of the Hercules spiralled and somersaulted into a desolate marsh 30 km north-west of Baghdad, the mass-circulation daily said.

"A bomb now looks the most likely cause" of the January 30 crash, a senior RAF source was quoted by the newspaper as saying.

The Sun reported that investigators thought it unlikely the plane suffered a mechanical problem, or was hit by a surface-to-air missile, or that ammunition aboard it had exploded.

Ammunition or a missile would not have caused the wing to sheer off, and the plane was probably out of missile range, they said.

"But sabotage is a another distinct possibility. Metal fatigue is another option but is considered much less likely. The suggestion that the plane was hit by a missile is a virtual non-starter," the source said.

The bodies of the nine Royal Air Force aircrew – including Flt Lt Pardoel – and one soldier were flown into RAF Lyneham in south-west England on Tuesday.

British officials have said the cause of the crash of the C-130 which resulted in Britain's largest single-day loss of life since it helped launch the Iraq war in March 2003, was still being investigated.

A senior US general said he believed the crash was due to an attack rather than a technical problem.

Lieutenant General Lance Smith, deputy commander of the US Central Command in Iraq, emphasised that it was his personal impression, and not the result of an ongoing enquiry into the incident.

"I personally believe that there may have been hostile action or something that happened inside the aircraft, but I don't think it was mechanical in nature," General Smith said at the Pentagon in Washington.

He said the aircraft could have been the victim of small-arms fire, or even "a lucky shot from an RPG", or rocket-propelled grenade.

TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bomb; c130; explosion; hercules; iraq; military; planecrash; sabotage; uktroops

1 posted on 02/09/2005 5:30:15 PM PST by HAL9000
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To: HAL9000

Thanks for keeping us updated about this -- I've been wanting to know what brought this plane down.

If it was a bomb, I hope they figure out who did it and how it got there.

2 posted on 02/09/2005 5:36:56 PM PST by 68skylark
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To: HAL9000

I'm sure that they have eliminated wind-shear conditions and center fuel tank problems as possible causes.

3 posted on 02/09/2005 5:39:46 PM PST by map
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To: HAL9000

They let a terrorist on board their plane?

4 posted on 02/09/2005 5:41:39 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (God is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: HAL9000

That missile video got out pretty quick. Maybe it was created as some disinfo by ex-mukharabat to distract attention from the fact they had a mole in the airport?

5 posted on 02/09/2005 5:43:11 PM PST by Shermy
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To: HAL9000

Didn't the Sun report a few days ago the plane was hit by 8 SAMs or some such nonsense?

One problem as more and more foreign sources get posted on FR is that people really don't have a handle on the tabloid nature or reliability of a lot of them (Good example: "India Daily" which sounded official but turns out to basically be a raving kook site.)

6 posted on 02/09/2005 5:44:28 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: Blood of Tyrants
"They let a terrorist on board their plane?"

As much as Britain and Europe in general are eat up with "multicultural diversity" and political correctness, they probably didn't have any choice.

They would have been afraid to say anything if he had had twenty pounds of C4 in his hand.

7 posted on 02/09/2005 5:50:51 PM PST by TexasCowboy (Texan by birth, citizen of Jesusland by the Grace of God)
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To: Shermy
They probably have several "packaged" videos waiting for the opportunity along with Al Jeezera acting as a willing accomplice..

One "packaged" video they used was the infamous action figure hostage. Only those who want to believe them will.

8 posted on 02/09/2005 6:07:10 PM PST by pfflier
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To: Shermy

The video that you are talking about appears to have been made up from three, or more, sources.

The first scene was a close up of some kind of electrical launching device. It is definitely not part of a MADPAD or radar SAM launching system.

The second scene of a rocket in flight came from another source. I suspect that it was a free flight over ground un-guided artillery rocket. I heard and saw plenty of 122mm rockets just like that in Vietnam.

The third scene shows a smoke trail and an explosion. The smoke trail did not match the smoke trail from the second scene. This marks this as the third piece of video.

The final scene shows burning wreckage on the ground. I find this very unusual. If an aircraft had been shot down its crash site would had one, or more, quick reaction teams with air-borne support enroute within a few minutes. These teams are quick and sudden death for anyone who crosses them. There fore, staying around long enough to take video of the wreckage is not high on the list of survival traits.

Bottom line - some quick video editing to continue winning the public relations war. With all of the “buzz” it has received over the last 10 days it was well worth the effort.

9 posted on 02/09/2005 6:55:27 PM PST by Nip (Lead, Follow, or Get the *ell Out of the Way!)
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To: HAL9000

""But sabotage is a another distinct possibility. Metal fatigue is another option but is conside"

I seem to recall some pretty graphic video of a C130 used for firefighting in SoCal that had a wing come off during ops. No Ji-hate-ists around then...

Just how old was this Brit C130?

10 posted on 02/09/2005 7:30:36 PM PST by ASOC (Land of the Free, owing to the Brave)
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To: HAL9000
This should be a pretty simple investigation as to whether or not it was a bomb. If they have the severed wing it should be replete with evidence of the explosion, including residue that would identify the agent used. The aircraft components in the area of a missile strike would bear unmistakable evidence of the object striking the aircraft plus evidence of the explosion. Separation of the wing as a result of metal fatigue would also be readily discernable. I would hope they are using the expertise of a number of nations in the investigation. Much of what is reported in the article really doesn't add up. Wonder what they mean by the 'mayday button'. Losing a wing at altitude should not always cause an inflight breakup. Look at the old WWII photos of fully loaded bombers having a wing come off and simply spiraling to earth intact while the crew is seen bailing out one after the other. If it was high enough for to be out of missile range and a wing came off before the start of its descent there would be a relatively long trail of debris. Although I know very little of the science involved in these investigations I am always impressed by the outcomes.
11 posted on 02/09/2005 10:20:22 PM PST by jwpjr
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To: HAL9000

"PRESS RELEASE -- Secretary of the Air Force, Directorate of Public Affairs

Release No. 02-06
February 11, 2005

C-130Es Grounded

SCOTT AIR FORCE BASE, Ill - Air Mobility Command Commander, Gen. John W.
Handy, directed 30 U.S. Air Force C-130E model aircraft be grounded Feb 10. An additional 60 C-130 aircraft, ncluding some of the E, H, H1, and HC-130 N/P models were placed on restricted flight status to minimize wing stress and increase the safety margin.

The 30 C-130E aircraft were grounded based upon a recommendation by the C-130 System Program Office at Robins AFB, Ga. Since 2001, a series of inspections of the center wing box structure of C-130 has revealed that
cracks to the structure were greater in number and severity than originally expected.

Most of the aircraft affected are in AMC's inventory, but affected aircraft are also assigned to Air Education and Training Command, Pacific Air Forces, US Air Forces in Europe, the Air National Guard, and Air Force Reserve

"Working together with the Air National Guard, Air Force Reserve Command and our active duty units, we are committed to meeting our requirements to war
fighters around the world', Handy said."

12 posted on 02/11/2005 10:46:05 AM PST by Tommyjo
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C-130K. This was based on the H model and was delivered in the mid-late 1960s.

13 posted on 02/11/2005 10:48:56 AM PST by Tommyjo
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To: Nip

The video of the wreckage is perfectly genuine. The Allison T56 engine is recognisable. The aircraft came down in a known hotbed of insurgency about an hour before darkness.

14 posted on 02/11/2005 10:51:32 AM PST by Tommyjo
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