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Woman who killed baby ordered sterilized
Atlanta Journal ^ | 02/09/05 | Tom Opdyke

Posted on 02/09/2005 12:33:39 PM PST by Kennesaw

Woman who killed baby ordered sterilized

Published on: 02/09/05 A Fulton County judge has ordered sterilization for a woman who killed her 5-week-old daughter.

Superior Court Judge Rowland Barnes said Carisa Ashe, 34, has 90 days to have the tubal ligation that would prevent her from conceiving.

Ashe had been charged with murder in the Dec. 16, 1998, death of Destiny Ashe. An autopsy indicated Destiny had been shaken and hit so badly her brain swelled and hemorrhaged.

After two days of trial on the murder charge, Ashe pleaded guilty Tuesday to voluntary manslaughter, according to the district attorney's office.

Barnes gave Ashe five years on probation and said she must have a tubal ligation within 90 days or prosecutors can reinstate the murder charge.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: baby; infanticide; postbirthabortion; sterilization; sterilized
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To: sassbox

Lock-up for life is a MUCH more expensive solution. Are you paying?


21 posted on 02/09/2005 12:48:27 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Irish Rose

I agree with you. Forced sterilization concerns me as well. I do think the judge was way too lenient.


23 posted on 02/09/2005 12:50:25 PM PST by jer33 3
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To: Irish Rose

This approach does not involve the government deciding who can or cannot have children, until AFTER someone has had a child and killed or severely abused it. I have no problem with the government deciding that people who have done such things can't be allowed to have any more children. And the death penalty obviously would also have the effect of the governemnt preventing her from having any more children.


24 posted on 02/09/2005 12:51:29 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: wideawake

I'm with you. What this woman did has heinous, but the precedent it sets is worse still.


25 posted on 02/09/2005 12:53:01 PM PST by twigs
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To: Red Badger

That's what I get for typing without My glasses, Mea Culpa!
Anyway, You should get the drift.


26 posted on 02/09/2005 12:53:48 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER
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To: Maryivf

Your solution only changes the timing of the child's murder. Information doesn't change sheer evil.


27 posted on 02/09/2005 12:55:12 PM PST by twigs
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To: Kennesaw
A woman who pleaded guilty to killing her five-week-old daughter must have her tubes tied as part of a plea deal, the Fulton County District Attorney announced Wednesday.

I think this is clearly unconstitutional. (this is not a normative judgement, it's my understanding of the law)

For instance, I don't think you can't bargain away your First Amendment rights to get a shorter prison sentence. And the Supreme Court has found a similar (but non-textual) Constitutional right to procreate.

In fact, the Supreme Court has found that you can't even bargain away your right to monetary compensation for property taken by the state (Nollan v. California Coastal Commission). You can't even make an agreement with the government: "you let me get a permit to build up my coastal mansion, and I'll let you have a small strip of land for the public to use during the daytime as an easement")

28 posted on 02/09/2005 12:55:23 PM PST by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Well, at least you didn't type LIBATION!........


30 posted on 02/09/2005 12:56:25 PM PST by Red Badger (ANONYMOUS IRAQI VOTER: "I dipped it deep as if I was poking the eyes of all the world's tyrants.)
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To: LYSandra

"Just kill the b---- and be done with it! "


Aye.


31 posted on 02/09/2005 12:56:47 PM PST by Blzbba (Don't hate the player - hate the game!)
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To: Irish Rose

"...I hate to see the government deciding who can and cannot have children."

I agree with you, because we all know the government will screw that up also. Knowing that, I hereby offer my services as a private citizen to make the decisions on who can and cannot have children.


32 posted on 02/09/2005 12:57:06 PM PST by VMI70 (...but two Wrights made an airplane)
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To: Kennesaw
Why is she still breathing my share of oxygen?

I suppose that the innocent babies life is meaningless.

33 posted on 02/09/2005 12:57:18 PM PST by chiefqc
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To: antoninartaud
The sentence was waaaay to lenient, but it is about time women who abuse/abandon/mistreat their children are ordered to undergo sterilization.

It is time women get comprable sentences to those men receive for the same crimes. No father who killed his child as she did, would get probabtion. Put this evil woman in prison for life with no parole and she'll have little luck in getting pregnant again. Feminists want equality with men, let's start with prison sentencing and then just watch the feminist scream and holler.

34 posted on 02/09/2005 12:57:41 PM PST by An American In Dairyland
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To: jer33 3

The only way I'd support forced sterilization is if we applied it to all registered Democrats...


35 posted on 02/09/2005 12:57:55 PM PST by RockinRight (It's NOT too early to start talking about 2006...or 2008.)
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To: Kennesaw

It is about time that someone dealt with this problem with a solution that might just help! Child-murderers should NOT have another chance to kill a baby! The ACLU can just stuff it!


36 posted on 02/09/2005 12:57:55 PM PST by luvie ("THE ROAD OF PROVIDENCE IS UNEVEN AND UNPREDICTABLE-YET WE KNOW...IT LEADS TO FREEDOM!"GWB 2-2-05)
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To: sassbox

"5 years of probation for murder?? How about this - lock her up for the rest of her life, or at least the rest of her reproductive years. Problem solved."

I think we should just abort her. That way we don't have to pay for jail time or surgery.


37 posted on 02/09/2005 12:59:08 PM PST by melbell (A Freudian slip is when you mean one thing, and say your mother)
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To: Irish Rose
Well i sort of agree with your argument. I'm just playing devils advocate right now so don't destroy me and don't take this as a personal attack ;)

what if the punishment for child murder wasn't death, but sterilization. You seem to be okay with the government deciding who lives and dies (I'm pro death penalty by the way), but not okay with who can have children or not.

Don't be too quick to compare This to what China is doing. That is the law of the land, everyone conforms to that law. This is for someone who killed her 5 week old child. I see a big difference between telling everyone you can only have x amount of y children vs telling someone convicted of murder you can't have any more children.
38 posted on 02/09/2005 1:01:35 PM PST by tfecw (Vote Democrat, It's easier then working)
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To: joedelta

Chiming in from Atlanta, with my two cents: This is a good thing.

Should sterilize women on welfare when they have more than two kids, also.


39 posted on 02/09/2005 1:01:36 PM PST by peacebaby ("...please refrain from impugning my integrity." Dr. Condoleezza Rice, 1/18/05)
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To: antoninartaud
The State does have an obligation to prevent someone from reproducing again in these instances.

Yes; She should be shot.

If a woman will do this to her own child, why wouldn't she do it to a complete stranger's child?

40 posted on 02/09/2005 1:02:03 PM PST by Incandesia (Please don't eat the Newbie)
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