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National ID Cards Coming Up For A Vote This Week
Gun Owner of America ^ | February 9, 2005 | Larry Pratt

Posted on 02/09/2005 11:36:18 AM PST by kimber

The National ID card is back in the news, as Congress is getting set once again to debate the issue.

You will remember that late last year, Congress passed (and the President signed) legislation which starts us down the road to a National ID card. In the name of preventing alien terrorists from operating in this country, the so-called Intelligence Reform bill gave federal bureaucrats unprecedented new powers to force changes in state-issued driver's licenses -- including, possibly, the addition of computer chip technology that can facilitate the tracking of all U.S. citizens.

Now, the House will be debating new legislation, H.R. 418, that was recently introduced by Rep. James Sensenbrenner (R-WI). In considering this bill, the U.S. House will vote on whether to empower the federal government to determine who can get a driver's license -- and under what conditions.

Since you need a driver's license to purchase a gun from a dealer, this will give BATFE the expanded ability to impose even greater forms of gun control -- something which it has long coveted. This will become even more apparent if an anti-gun Democrat like Hillary Clinton wins the presidency in 2008.

H.R. 418 is, unfortunately, supported by many Republicans who believe that repealing our liberties will somehow make us "secure." But GOA joined a large coalition of citizen-activist organizations this week in opposition to H.R. 418. In a letter to Congress, the coalition stated:

Standardization of driver's licenses has long been recognized as a bureaucratic back-door to implementation of a national ID card. With its required linking of databases and ability of the Secretary of Homeland Security to require a prescribed format, HR 418 takes us well along that road. Concerns are further heightened when the bill fails to even provide lip service to privacy concerns, and proposes to share all of our data on the driver's license database with Canada and Mexico.

Realizing government's tendency towards mission creep, no one should be surprised if this database grows to contain far more information than that which is relevant to driving. HR 418 requires that the database shall contain "at a minimum," all information contained on the driver's license as well as driving history. There is no limit to what other information may eventually be contained in the database -- something which should definitely concern gun owners.

H.R. 418 is being touted as a way of cleaning up some of the problems with the law that was enacted last December. But this bill is still an attack on states' rights. It still takes us down the road to a National ID card. And it would still do nothing to keep real terrorists from operating in our country.


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Is this still the United States? You just have to wonder what is going on in the glass dome in Washington.
1 posted on 02/09/2005 11:36:18 AM PST by kimber
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To: kimber
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2 posted on 02/09/2005 11:38:38 AM PST by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism.)
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To: Joe Brower

Can someone add me to the "banglist"??

National ID cards eh? So we get open borders and national ID cards? Is this 2005 or 1984?


3 posted on 02/09/2005 11:39:56 AM PST by BootsOfEscaping
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To: kimber
Your papers .... comrade ....

It looks like we lost ....

4 posted on 02/09/2005 11:42:50 AM PST by Yasotay
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To: kimber
"Since you need a driver's license to purchase a gun from a dealer"
Won't stop the bad guys from getting guns from sources other than dealers.

IMHO, we already have an at-least pseudo national id card - it's call a social security card.
5 posted on 02/09/2005 11:45:21 AM PST by bigdblogman
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To: kimber

This is the project that the ex-kgb generals in the Dept. of Homeland Security were "advising" on. Yevgeny Primakov laughingly commented the they've designed a system of internal passports for the US that is more restrictive than the old Soviet Union.


6 posted on 02/09/2005 11:45:27 AM PST by dljordan
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To: kimber
I'll probably be flamed but what is a good alternative to this type of thing? State ID's/Drivers Licenses certainly don't work. IMO this, or something quite like it, that is effective, is needed. The current situation is not satisfactory.

What is the difference between this and the existing individual Social Security Number except that something like this might actually be effective and might provide some protection against so-called 'Identity Theft' as well as insuring some national standard in identifying individuals.

BTW I am mindful of the serious potential for misuse and would applaud efforts to curtail such.

Fire away!

7 posted on 02/09/2005 11:45:30 AM PST by drt1
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To: BootsOfEscaping
"Can someone add me to the "banglist"?? "

To get a summary of all current "banglist" articles, just enter http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=banglist into your browser.

8 posted on 02/09/2005 11:45:47 AM PST by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism.)
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To: BootsOfEscaping

We already have National ID cards...it's called "Social Security Card/number"


9 posted on 02/09/2005 11:45:53 AM PST by Axelsrd
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To: kimber

If people think this through, ID cards are the ONLY hope against immigration and voter fraud. No big deal, IMO.


10 posted on 02/09/2005 11:45:57 AM PST by tkathy (Tyranny breeds terrorism. Freedom breeds peace.)
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To: kimber

You know, it just makes more sense to ID the people who need to be ID'd. For instance, a citizen of another nation wants to enter the U.S. Okay, photo ID them and give them an ID that has a sensor strip that can be monitored by devices that we place nearly everywhere.

As long as that person's ID is moving, we know they are using it. When it stops moving for a 48 hour period, you know who needs to be picked up for non-compliance.

Even if they are not carrying their ID, the INS database has that person's face fingerprints and known contacts in it.

An alert similar to an amber alert would be launched, that person picked up within days.

If a person overstayed their visa, their ID would provide their location instantaniously. If they had stopped using it, they'd have already been picked up, or could be within days.

I want laws that affect non-citizens. Leave us citizens the hell alone. We're obeying the laws of our nation and should be none of the government's GD business.


11 posted on 02/09/2005 11:46:55 AM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: drt1

Just wait until they make you put a microchip in your forehead or forearm. Then they can trace you no matter where you go. You won't be able to buy or sell without it. Sound familiar? It should. It's scriptural.


12 posted on 02/09/2005 11:48:13 AM PST by Marysecretary (Thank you, Lord, for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!)
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To: Marysecretary

The night is dark. On a lonely street corner stands a man wearing an overcoat...a person approaches. The man in the overcoat says..."Passport, $100, birth certificate, $200, driver license, $500, social security card, $150, and a new offering...National ID card, $1000."


13 posted on 02/09/2005 11:51:18 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: kimber
Yes it is,"still the United States" BUT IT IS NOT

The United States of America. Two distinct Different legal entities.

Hasn't been for many years and was done all very legally. Don't know the History of your country, now you didn't expect them to teach you what they've done to you by what they've taken away, did you?
14 posted on 02/09/2005 11:51:28 AM PST by OldSgt. (USMC, Nam Vet, HMM-165)
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To: BootsOfEscaping

Our borders are wide open floodgates. Our Citizens are treated as chattel and the politicians do whatever they want while the liberals whittle down our country. What is wrong with this picture?

I have a great idea, why don't we just bar code every Citizen and track their data? (sarcasm)

There's nothing like giving up liberty for some temporary security.


15 posted on 02/09/2005 11:51:36 AM PST by Bald Eagle777 (The Chinese military is the opposition force. Traitors at home aid and abet them.)
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To: Marysecretary

16 posted on 02/09/2005 11:51:59 AM PST by evets (God bless president George W. Bush)
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To: tkathy

The card itself is no big deal...it's the chip, and whatever info that is on it, that is the big deal. I doubt the average citizen will have equipment that can read what is actually on this chip.


17 posted on 02/09/2005 11:58:02 AM PST by stuartcr
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To: DoughtyOne

Agreed.


18 posted on 02/09/2005 11:58:48 AM PST by Bald Eagle777 (The Chinese military is the opposition force. Traitors at home aid and abet them.)
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To: kimber
I like Larry Pratt and GOA, but, I can find nothing in the Constitution of these Untied States that prohibits a National ID Card.

But...

19 posted on 02/09/2005 11:59:37 AM PST by newsgatherer
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To: kimber

I already have mine!

Semper Fi,
Kelly


20 posted on 02/09/2005 11:59:48 AM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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