I guess it's easier for some to stay asleep.
Posted on 02/09/2005 11:36:18 AM PST by kimber
as a portrait artist, I would say - one and the same
I guess it's easier for some to stay asleep.
NO ID'S! No centralization of power and information.
I will vote against ANYONE who supports a national ID plan.
And as a dumb a$$ right wing uniformed voter- I actually keep tabs on who votes for what.
http://www.vote-smart.org/
http://www.c-span.org/
Red6
Virginia already has a state law which is very similar to Section 202.
Fallout of NAFTA - do you really want Mexican truck drivers who have access to US roads to be able to hide their traffic violations in Mexico?
Besides, the state can opt not participate and therefor not receive funds.
Given the technology we now have, there is no reason why a thumb print, (or some other similar biological marker like retina scan), could be taken from every person who votes. If we tied the thumb print, (or other marker), to the ballot, and to the person voting, fraud would be very easy to prove.
Even the RATs would have a hard time carrying around a bunch of thumbs or eyeballs!
No ID card would be required.
Just a thought.
Support your local republicrat.
The national ID will be the final nail in the coffin of the dead Republic.
There would be something very eerie about having a machine examine my retina or thumb print before I would be allowed to vote (or buy and sell). Reminds me a little too much about marks on foreheads, etc.
No, thank you.
There is: the 4th Amendment, the right to be secure in one's papers and person. Demanding one's "papers" (to wit: national ID card) requires a judge-signed search warrant, not "card or cuffs - pick one" without cause.
The whole point of a National ID is proof of citizenship, instantly linking one to gov't records, on demand.
Actually, the premise of your comment is wrong: there is nothing in the Constitution granting the gov't the power to require identification papers of citizens. Congress can only do what the Constitution explicitly permits, and the 4th Amendment makes it clear a National ID is NOT one of those powers.
Just a few years ago, the phrase "where are your papers?" uttered by a gov't agent indicated the worst of tyrrany. Now, suddenly, it is considered by many to be an obvious social norm. WTF?
I understand your objection, and agree with it.
But, given a choice between a national ID card and giving a thumbprint or retinal scan, I'd have to go with the latter.
It's not like anyone is going to listen to us anyhow.
Both the extreme Left and Right want a National ID card, and they are just taking advantage of the current world situation to press their 1984ish agenda forward.
We are trapped in the Hegelian Dialectic.
Mike, sorry but I see your response something like this.
We complain because folks are running red lights and killing people, so the government reacts by taking our cars away.
No, we want stiff penalties on the offenders, so it will stop.
With regard to the border it's the same premise. We didn't bring this on ourselves. The government refused to stop illegal immigration. You just watch. There will still be illegal immigration after all is said and done, but the citizens of this nation will for all intents and purposes be plugged in 24/7 so the government will know every thing we do.
We either accept this, or we put the government on notice, that this s--t is going to stop. We have reached our limit with the level of intrusion that we will accept.
I think you took what I said a bit too far. We have been complaining and now we are seeing what some of those complaints are reaping.
Bureaucrats do as bureaucrats do.
I guess you havent worked inside the government before. This is how they think!!! It's a problem? Sure make a rule and enforce it so that although its only supposed to fix a certain problem that only affects a certain number of people, all people will be affected by this change.
This is normal. We did bring this on us somewhat. Certainly FR wasnt the only group complaining about illegal immigration, but it is one of the loudest.
Mike, I understand where you're coming from and I agree with your premise to a certain extent. What I can't do is accept the idea that we can't demand our laws be enforced, for fear laws will be enacted that will take our rights away.
This is punitive. It is unacceptable. And any government that is going to govern this way, is simply going to be sooner or later deemed to be abusive and eventually even illigitimate.
The current "Real ID" legislation *requires* that you have your National ID card prior to applying for any new job.
This means that *millions* of citizens are about to be required to go stand in lines that will make Driver's License cues look short in comparison before anyone can get a new job.
Politicians who vote for this bill haven't thought this thing through; no one wants to feel the ire of millions of potential job seekers, especially those rural red state workers who would not only have to stand in long lines, but also make a special drive into the city to get their new ID card.
well ummm hmmm :)
You got it there man.
just think about this one ok....there is a ton of money involved in this process...
some card company will get a contract with the government to supply the ID cards. figure probably a $1 a card right? Then after that, there are replacement cards. Then someone has to keep a database right? another contract....
think of the lobbyists and the special interest groups that really love this idea....that is what is driving this more than anything else. It's money for the bureaucrats and a way for the politicos to go out and say they are doing something.
and I dont agree with it either. and I am a contractor :)
Nope, not for me. I'll remain an undocumented legal citizen.
It's to stop illegal immigration, so supposedly, it is okay. Thus sayeth the Malkinbots.
Never mind the legitimate objections that are offered by conservatives.
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