Posted on 02/07/2005 3:03:09 PM PST by EveningStar
Medved on O'Reilly tonight to debate Million Dollar Baby.
Fox: 8 Easter / 5 Pacific
Because the premise here is that you are going to see a movie about female boxing. Not assisted suicide.
If the advertising was deceptive then it means that there wasn't anything about euthanasia in them. And if there is nothing in the ads about euthanasia, and that's all you've seen, then how do you know that euthanasia is the central theme?
It had assisted suicide in it. It had a woman boxer in it. I didn't get that it was a "pro-assisted suicide" flick anymore than it was "pro woman boxing" flick.
Some people felt hoodwinked.
That's all.
I don't remember this happening. At least the priest made it clear it would be a terrible thing to do
You do see a movie about female boxing.
Because I listen to RUSH, and he saw it.
I've been ignoring it because I thought it was a biopic on Michael Jackson.
Well I saw it, too. It didn't glorify euthanasia at all. Now, did that change your mind?
I am going to disagree with a lot this. I haven't seen this movie but this theme isn't new and was certainly covered in the TV show "Dallas" some years ago.
In the show Ray Krebbs nephew Mickey is in a car accident and is a quadriplegic and begs Ray to pull the plug on him which he does and then Ray is tried for murder, etc..
So this is nothing new and it's a stretch to say this film is advocating euthanasia or assisted suicide.
Would any of us really want to continue in a useless existence like that or want a loved to if they didn't want to. Tough questions and no easy answers and every case is different. Some people would want to live and others not.
I suppose that may be the idea in the film, to stimulate debate and ask tough questions but it doesn't offer any easy answers.
So to single this film out and invite or infer an agenda or suggestions it has hidden meanings might be stretching it quite a bit.
There are other films that have dealt with this issue, one other film that comes to mind is "Whose Life Is It Anyway?", a 1981 movie with Richard Dreyfess that deals with this issue head on and I certainly don't remember anyone picking up on this film and accusing it of supporting assisted suicide although that was the theme running through it.
Also the movie "Kings Row" had a theme of depression running through it when Ronald Reagan's character wakes up and finds both of this legs cut off by a sadistic doctor.
Reagan's character wasn't sure whether he wanted to live or not.
Medved and others are making a mountain out of molehill here. I don't think there is any hidden agenda, it's just a story and a movie.
Also where was Medved on the Dreyfess movie and the "Dallas" episodes? Mike find another issue please.
It is alright that it was about Euthanasia, but just don't advertise it as a boxing movie.
Saw "Million Dollar Baby" last week. Again, great acting jobs (Hillary Swank probably deserves another Oscar); great direction by Clint Eastwood. It is a very well-done movie. But it was horribly depressing. And I didn't get the point. I thought there were too many themes in the movie: Was it a film about a man who was searching for faith, but who in the end risks losing his salvation? Was it about two small time nobodies who together achieved something that was larger than either one of them could have achieved on their own? Was it a film about going all out to achieve something big, regardless of the cost? Was it a film about a father who lost a daughter, who then gained a daughter, who then lost her as well? [WARNING: SPOILER ALERT!]...Was it a propaganda piece for euthanasia? The competing themes collided to leave kind of a mish-mash at the end. A well-done movie, but not a great one.
But the attacks were as misleading as Medved claimed the movie was. The attacks claimed criticized Medved for giving away the end of the movie. He didn't do that. When I first heard that the movie was about euthanasia, I thought that Eastwood died in the end. Another reviewer told the whole story and didn't get panned, just Medved. Medved would have probably let the thing die out if the movie promoters and leftist media hadn't continued writing articles about how what a horrible reviewer that Medved is.
"Million Dollar Baby was advertised DECEPTIVELY- and a good many people are angry that they thought they were going to see a boxing movie and instead had the LEFTIST LIBERAL AGENDA shoved down their throat."
Have you seen the movie?
I saw the movie, and I didn't feel anybody was shoving an agenda down my throat. It is a movie, from a story in a book.
In that regard, it is like many movies.
Be honest, and tell if you saw it?
I've seen enough promos on this film to be sick of it before it was even released...yet I had no idea what the "kicker" to this movie was until I entered this thread.
I think I'll skip it now.
FROM THE OFFICIAL SITE -
http://milliondollarbabymovie.warnerbros.com/story.html
rankie Dunn (CLINT EASTWOOD) has trained and managed some incredible fighters during a lifetime spent in the ring. The most important lesson he teaches his boxers is the one that rules his life: above all, always protect yourself. In the wake of a painful estrangement from his daughter, Frankie has been unwilling to let himself get close to anyone for a very long time. His only friend is Scrap (MORGAN FREEMAN), an ex-boxer who looks after Frankie's gym and knows that beneath his gruff exterior is a man who has attended Mass almost every day for the past 23 years, seeking the forgiveness that somehow continues to elude him.
Then Maggie Fitzgerald (HILARY SWANK) walks into his gym.
Maggie's never had much, but there is one thing she does have that very few people in this world ever do: she knows what she wants and she's willing to do whatever it takes to get it. In a life of constant struggle, Maggie's gotten herself this far on raw talent, unshakable focus and a tremendous force of will. But more than anything, what she wants is for someone to believe in her.
The last thing Frankie needs is that kind of responsibility - let alone that kind of risk. He tells Maggie the blunt hard truth: she's too old and he doesn't train girls. But 'no' has little meaning when you have no other choice. Unwilling or unable to give up on her life's ambition, Maggie wears herself to the bone at the gym every day, encouraged only by Scrap. Finally won over by Maggie's sheer determination, Frankie begrudgingly agrees to take her on.
In turns exasperating and inspiring each other, the two come to discover that they share a common spirit that transcends the pain and loss of their pasts, and find in each other a sense of family they lost long ago. What they don't know is that soon they will both face a battle that's going to demand more heart and courage than any they've ever known.
I went with a group of people from the office to see "MDB" last week, and -- seriously -- I asked, "Does this movie end well?" I knew the movie was about a female boxer and her trainer, but didn't know anything else about it. Interesting, no one else I went with knew how it ended either. My reaction after the film..."Well, THAT was uplifting!"
I didn't see "Bridges," for that reason.
I'm glad I know what its about so I won't waste time/money on it. Fat Ebert had his panties twisted tight because MM disclosed the "surprize" ending and compared it to the surprize in "The Crying Game".
I was genuinely mad at a co-worker who recommended the Crying game w/o telling me what it was about. Thanks on this one MM.
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