Posted on 02/07/2005 3:03:09 PM PST by EveningStar
Medved on O'Reilly tonight to debate Million Dollar Baby.
Fox: 8 Easter / 5 Pacific
RE: "Liking it isn't an accomplishment--it was built for you."
I shudder to think what kind of movie is "built" for you.
Female mud wrestling, body building, arm wrestling, etc. could easily be viewed as an abomination. Don't you agree?
Yeah it is. It kills the pain and slows the motility of the gut--giving relief. They've got some better stuff now for preventing the ulceration, but they usta prescribe narcotics for it...
In that case, I sincerely apologize.
RE: "But now I've got that world-weary, rugged and pissed-off attitude that you like so much in movie heroes. 'Cuz I care deeply about the cinema...."
The difference is that usually that "rugged and pissed-off" movie hero learns a valuable lesson or two at the end, whereas I wouldn't hold out for you learning any such lesson.
Where was this movie advertised as a feel good movie. I do have to ask, why do you go to a thread about movies if you have such a loathing for movies? Also why are you so interested in bashing a movie you have seen? Most who have actually seen it seem to like it. It seems like you should at the very least watch a movie before bashing it for the way it handles a situation. You are taking someone elses word about a movie, and the majority of people disagree with that.
Again, not propaganda, and not a euthanasia film.
Yes: Women. Boxing.
If you don't have a visceral reaction to that idea, I cannot explain it to you.
I'm about twice your age and was fortunate to miss a lot of the brainwashing that makes that idea seem even plausible.
Ugh, I couldn't disagree more. Cate Blanchett's acting was totally forced and overdone. We (my husband and I) hated that part of the movie more than anything, even Leo's miscasting and all the good parts of the story that went by the way side. It was an OK movie, but we could have waited for the DVD.
No thanks, I already know that snuffing paralyzed chicks is wrong; no matter how much they want me to.
Dude, I can't even get past the female boxing part! Why would I want to see a movie about that? It's wrong.
RE: "Well, in this case, her goal ended up getting her paralyzed and she couldn't take it so she begged another into murdering her. That kinda makes me think she should have been held back...."
But that could happen to any boxer, not just a female. It's a risk that is taken by any participant in contact sports based upon the requirements of their chosen profession, and the individual understands those risks, weighs them against the benefits of pursuing said career, and decides for themses what is the best course of action for their own lives. So I don't see what your point is, if indeed you even have one.
RE: "Then why do you think it is OK for them to beat each others brains in in a men's blood sport?"
It is only okay for women to beat the crap out of each other in a blood sport if it is also okay for men to do such. If we are both in agreement that a man should choose his career for himself based upon his own skill, then a woman should have the right to do the same.
Oh yeah, I can tell, what I "need" is someone like you to protect me. Geez. Good Lord, are you saying she was "asking for it"?
You probably don't see many movies then, if female boxing is a struggle I can't imagine what you thought about Kill Bill.
RE: "Yes: Women. Boxing.
If you don't have a visceral reaction to that idea, I cannot explain it to you.
I'm about twice your age and was fortunate to miss a lot of the brainwashing that makes that idea seem even plausible."
Sorry, Cogadha-whatever, but you didn't miss a single minute of the brainwashing. It's just that your parents, society, and whatever did a number on you when you were a little boy to instill in you the belief that you should treat women as subserviant creatures instead of fellow human beings, and you took that gender bias as the way things "ought to be" instead of the absolute load that it really is.
If the term "women boxers" causes some kind of an irrational, hateful reaction deep in your mind, then you've probably got a personal problem that you should look at. Just don't go to a female psychologist though, because they'll tolerate none of your sexist BS..
Nah, he's just got good taste. Some things "really cool" to you might be viewed as crude by others. How about arm wrestling, mud wrestling, dikes on bikes?
RE: "Ugh, I couldn't disagree more. Cate Blanchett's acting was totally forced and overdone. We (my husband and I) hated that part of the movie more than anything"
Sorry, but I just don't agree with you. I think that Blanchett overdoes it a little during her first few scenes, stressing Hepburn's movie persona a little too much during the scenes at the golf course and party, but that eventually Blanchett slides more comfortably into her character. In later scenes, starting with the romantic bit inside Hughes's plane, Cate's Kate deepens in complexity and becomes more human; Cate even tones the accent down to a more subtle, convincing tone that matches her mannerisms and facial reactions more completely. And the kicker is that I think the earlier overacting was intentional, Cate's way of stressing the movie's stated theory that Hepburn would "perform" too much around Hughes and other pre-Spencer beaus as a means of keeping them at arms length from her true self.
No. No, at long last, it's not OK. I've not gotten the brainwashing my whole life like you have. Men and women are profoundly different.
I just want to live in a world where life and the bringers of life have value beyond the mundane striving to be on TV.
Hey, how many women did you see playing in the Super Bowl?
Is that 'cuz they were 'held back'? Or 'cuz they're too weak, too slow and would get killed? Hmmmmm?
If we are both in agreement that a man should choose his career for himself based upon his own skill, then a woman should have the right to do the same.
Right. And women are crappy boxers (have you ever seen them?) so they shouldn't do that.
Of course she was. If women are so well-built for boxing, lets repeal the domestic violence laws.
No. I really don't.
if female boxing is a struggle I can't imagine what you thought about Kill Bill.
It was very silly, but enjoyable 'cuz it didn't have a message.
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