Medved on O'Reilly tonight to debate Million Dollar Baby

[EveningStar]

Medved on O'Reilly tonight to debate Million Dollar Baby.

Fox: 8 Easter / 5 Pacific

[baseballfanjm]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's illegal.

And I'd like to reiterate, I think what the character did was wrong, but I never felt that the film had an agenda that euthanisia was good.

[RockAgainsttheLeft04]

RE: "What "old couple"? Or is this just another puritanical aphorism -- something akin to the battle cry "what about the children"?"


Oh, God, will somebody PLEASE think of the children??!!!
Remember that it takes a village to raise your child for you in the minds of the socialist left and "moral police" right alike.

[LisaMalia]

Coming from someone so utterly, willfully IGNORANT of the whole subject that they refuse to watch a movie unless it pats you on your little back and conforms to your personal religious and political beliefs (and how fragile those must be if they can't stand up to a challenge)...I take that as a compliment.

I know you're yanking my chain, and that's ok.... I'll play along.

You're showing your ignorance, as you don't have any idea what I watch....FOR FREE.

I have cable, and tune in to movies that seem interesting to me. If I find one of the actors repugnant, I MAY choose not to watch it, because it takes away from the enjoyment of watching said film. Explain to me, if you will, why that makes me less artistically savvy than you.

You have made judgments about me without knowing me. I responded in kind. I have a website where I voice my opinion. Do you?

Mine is www.lisamalia.com Feel free to visit it, then form your opinion about me.

All I ask is that you be fair about it, and don't spout insults to me willy-nilly, and I will do the same.

[Zechariah11]

Your posts on this thread have been excellent.

[Miss Marple]

Well, from the official site, we can see that the studio was dodging the theme of the movie.

What was the "battle that was going to demand more heart and courage than they have ever known?"

Was it a championship fight? Was it a court case to prpohibit female boxing? Was the Clint Eastwood character going to get cancer? Was the female bozer's family going to try and stop her from competeing?

I have given four reasonable conclusions about "the battle." None is close to the real theme of the movie.

My conclusion is that the studio and the advertising misled patrons.

[RockAgainsttheLeft04]

RE: "I have cable, and tune in to movies that seem interesting to me. If I find one of the actors repugnant, I MAY choose not to watch it, because it takes away from the enjoyment of watching said film. Explain to me, if you will, why that makes me less artistically savvy than you."


That's an easy one. It makes you a little less than "artistically savvy"(as you put it) because it means that you lack the mature ability to discern reality from fiction. If you cannot accept an actor in a non-political film role because of his or her personal political beliefs, you will have a severe problem trying to enjoy the best of what the cinema has to offer.

[LauraleeBraswell]

No actually it isn't.

I'm just going to put this in my perspective

There are two men,

The first man is young. He's healthy good looking and likes to get really high out of his mind.
It's just fun. He likes not knowing what the hell is going on. Well, it's getting more difficult to Get a good high.

So he moves on to harder stuff, He does it all with all sorts of people anywhere anyplace. He knows it's illegal. It's illegal for everyone, but he can always find someone somewhere who cooks the stuff up.
Over time, he gets into needles, filling the needle up with Heroin and shooting up in dark alley ways. He just loves the high. He searches his arm for a vein, and pricks it, until his veins are so exausted, but he just loves shooting up. He ends up overdosing one night, and dies.


The second man has aches and pain. He's older and old age gives him aches and pains. So his doctor prescribes him pain killers.
Well, over time he needs more and more to ease the pain. He starts feeling sick when he doesn't have it. He doesn't know which is worse, the withdrawal or the pain.
He starts going to more doctors, he can't feel right without it. He tries to get more prescriptions. It's gotten out of control.


YES THERE IS A DIFFERENCE!

Some old guy getting hooked to painkillers to ease pain is different from some heroin addict WHO sought out a drug to get high for recreation.

[RockAgainsttheLeft04]

Thanks for the offer to visit your website, but I'll have to pass. I've already read my fill of BS for today.

[F16Fighter]

"Movies that examine human nature and challenge the individual to take a stand on the world outside the darkened theater are not necessarily lighthearted or 'entertaining', but they fill a cinematic need."

"Cinematic need," or an agenda?

And what exactly is being "examined" in this case? I'd call it a trial balloon. An advertisement. Hollywood has pathologically always "entertained" behind a veil of overt propaganda. What a convoluted drama this movie is -- just to justify Euthanasia. Abortion. Adultery. Murder. The worst of "human nature" celebrated ad infinitum.

"The emotional power and truth of those dark, grim movies like MDB and Mystic River often linger in the memory long after the Spider-man and Shreck films have faded away."

A movie like MDB violates the human psyche and spirit -- that's why it indeed conveys "emotional power."

Grim is the word.

[LauraleeBraswell]

I also can't stand hearing

"Drug and Alcohol abuse"- as if they were both the same thing.

Drugs- ARE ILLEGAL

Alcohol- IS LEGAL

[what's up]

You're right...child molestation is everywhere...on TV, in the paper...and the media is making sure to hype it to sell advertising time.

That's why I don't enjoy paying to see movies which are based on the same theme. Very "yucky".

[what's up]

Ummm....I don't think we're talking off the same page. My comment had to do with "Mystic River".

[RockAgainsttheLeft04]

Look, if you're going to argue that age, aches and pains give one man a right to illegally abuse drugs while denying another man the same right, then we are going to be here a long time.

And you are getting dangerously close to contradicting your own statements on MDB in the process (a movie in which a character in severe pain and physical torment decides to put themselves out of their own misery, not with mind-altering drugs like Rush Limbaugh but by way of suicide).

[LauraleeBraswell]

How about Different Degrees of abuse,

Do you think someone who smokes Marijuana should get the SAME penalty as a crack dealer.


There are different degrees and circumstances. Not one penalty fits all.

I think someone with crack should get a stronger penalty than someone with Marijuana.

You don't?

[Zechariah11]

Why do you wish to argue with this guy? He is rude and insulting, not worth the time.

[LauraleeBraswell]

Yes, I'm waiting,

I like Rush, I also think Nirvana was one of the greatest bands ever of all time thankyouverymuch,

Theres a difference between someone who goes out and seeks drugs just for the hell of it and ends up getting himself addicted and dying of an overdose

and someone who was prescribed drugs for legitimate medical reasons and becomes dependent-

[RockAgainsttheLeft04]

RE: "Cinematic need," or an agenda?"


Eye of the beholder. To you, The Passion of the Christ might be an example of a film that fills a cinematic need. To others, The Passion pushes an agenda. It's the same with MDB, Vera Drake, and any other film that seek to take a stand on a difficult subject that affects the world that we live in.


RE: "What a convoluted drama this movie is -- just to justify Euthanasia. Abortion. Adultery. Murder. The worst of "human nature" celebrated ad infinitum."


Your personal opinion on a political matter does not make that matter "out-of-bounds" as the subject of a film.
Roger Ebert said it best when he famously claimed that a film "Is not about what it's about; it's about HOW it's about it".


RE: "A movie like MDB violates the human psyche and spirit -- that's why it indeed conveys "emotional power."


...because MDB violates your political opinions and values, you say that it violates the "human spirit". Ugh, remind me again why I humor your delusions of importance?

[LauraleeBraswell]

YES, but we all knew what the Passion was about.


No one here is calling for censorship.

[LauraleeBraswell]

From an 18 year old to a 22 year old

You're really pissing allot of people off